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[P72Ford]

Starting to think that may be what happens.

I absolutely have to do the fuel system, because what I have is useless.

I just tallied what I'd have to spend to get this all together (cam, heads, etc). Its more than I want to spend on a 13 second car. So I'm thinking I may just leave the stock HO cam. Change the front cover and stuff, do the fuel system. Leave the ignition alone (DS dist with MSD box); no sense buying a 302 dist, etc when I'm going to build something else down the road.

Clean it up under the hood. Do my weight reduction. I can always use a converter and vb, and I also have to do something with the rear axles/ repair bearings.

I guess I will keep it budget for now, and hope for the best. Not sure it'll get into the 13s this way, though.

I'm not ready to build an engine yet, and I don't want it sitting around while I make plans for a stouter transmission, etc. An engine is going to be shelved until I decide what I am doing here.

This is why I always wait to buy parts. Sometimes I get carried away with the... 'well, while I'm in there'... thing.

[mrltd]

I don't see why you couldn't get 13's with that motor. I did 14.80's with a stockish HO that had a horrible chassis- best 60' that pos could get was 2.18. That was 3.73s and a 2000rpm stall...It was a dog off the line. With a good converter and straight chassis that car could have gone low 14's.

Have a little faith...

[1987cp]

This is why I always wait to buy parts. Sometimes I get carried away with the... 'well, while I'm in there'... thing.

Absolutely. Project creep gets expensive in a hurry.

How about doing a converter and 4.10 gears and leave the engine (mostly) alone for now? Dunno if the $100ish Dirty Dog converters are any good, but if so, that'd be a really cheap way to have fun with the existing engine.

[P72Ford]

I was under the impression that those were stock converters, Michael.

I'm thinking a 2600 or so stall would be perfect.

[86VickyLX]

4.10s with the AOD shifts into overdrive way to early. To be honest the shift points of the trans we did in the '88 vic weren't spaced out evenly. 1-2 was good, but to 3rd was early as was overdrive, as previously mentioned. We set the TV pressure to shift out of overdrive with the littlest application of the gas pedal. So it was set pretty much correctly. It was a mustang trans I believe, with the 2800 stall converter. The difference being that this was a 351 instead of the 302. But this was also running an Xe264 cam.

Also, when Scott had that HO Volvo. That also had the 4.10 rear with the AOD. He was telling me about it shifting early into overdrive.

[P72Ford]

I won't be going with 4.10s... not when I have 3.73s now. I'd go to 4.30s before I'd go to 4.10s.

[1987cp]

I was under the impression that those were stock converters, Michael.

I'm thinking a 2600 or so stall would be perfect.

True, they do appear to be restalled stock converters, so I don't imagine they'd be adequate later on down the road. They list up to 2600, though. I've been wondering whether I shouldn't consider one of those myself, since I figure a stock-ish converter might not be too bad under 250hp, and $100 is really cheap.

Do you know what the "damper eliminated" means on the page for the $175 "TT" converter? That also appears to be listed up to 2600 stall.

I won't be going with 4.10s... not when I have 3.73s now. I'd go to 4.30s before I'd go to 4.10s.

Logical enough.

I'm assuming the complaints about shifting into this or that gear at really low speeds are with a completely stock AOD?

[86VickyLX]

True, they do appear to be restalled stock converters, so I don't imagine they'd be adequate later on down the road. They list up to 2600, though. I've been wondering whether I shouldn't consider one of those myself, since I figure a stock-ish converter might not be too bad under 250hp, and $100 is really cheap.

Do you know what the "damper eliminated" means on the page for the $175 "TT" converter? That also appears to be listed up to 2600 stall.



Logical enough.

I'm assuming the complaints about shifting into this or that gear at really low speeds are with a completely stock AOD?

As far as I am aware, that was a stock mustang AOD. Only difference being the 2800 stall torque converter (that was in the trans we pulled from that car).

[P72Ford]

Do you know what the "damper eliminated" means on the page for the $175 "TT" converter? That also appears to be listed up to 2600 stall.

Not sure.

I may look into those more.

My transmission is pretty fresh, and I may g with a 'good' converter and vb. The AOD isn't an ideal transmission for me, but ever since Ed said he had his car in the 11s with a stock trans (save for a Lentech vb, and converter I believe) I have been impressed.

If I could make the AOD live longer behind something more powerful down the road, that'd prolong the need for a potentially hefty upgrade.

[86VickyLX]

Not sure.

I may look into those more.

My transmission is pretty fresh, and I may g with a 'good' converter and vb. The AOD isn't an ideal transmission for me, but ever since Ed said he had his car in the 11s with a stock trans (save for a Lentech vb, and converter I believe) I have been impressed.

If I could make the AOD live longer behind something more powerful down the road, that'd prolong the need for a potentially hefty upgrade.

Lentech valve body? May I ask what is so special about it?

[1987cp]

If I could make the AOD live longer behind something more powerful down the road, that'd prolong the need for a potentially hefty upgrade.

Guess it may be a tossup about getting a "real" converter, then. I noticed Dirty Dog's $550 9.5" converter is alleged to handle 1000 lb-ft once you have them add about $200 worth of upgrades, but at the $750 price point I'd imagine you have lots of converter options to look at.

[pantera77]

Lentech valve body? May I ask what is so special about it?

It makes an AOD shift less like a pile of Play Doh.

[P72Ford]

I think when I am ready to buy, I will call Lentech for my converter and vb needs.

[Lincolnmania]

i'd get the silverfox valve body

[86VickyLX]

That's the one with the electrical overdrive lockout switch right? Thain was telling me this, it put 2nd gear where lockout was, and 3 and OD together..