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    Raining out and I hopped inside the car. Water is steadily (drip............drip..............drip etc.....) coming from behind the emergency/parking brake assembly. Tried with a flashlight and mirror to see behind the assembly but I couldn't make out anything. Looks as if three bolts hold the assembly to the vehicle and with enough luck will grant me enough access to find out where the water is entering from. First thoughts are now hinge area, windshield to cowl area, hood hing bolts areas.

    When dry outside I will continue.
    ~David~

    My 1987 Crown Victoria Coupe: The Brown Blob
    My 2004 Mercedes Benz E320:The Benz

    Originally posted by ootdega
    My life is a long series of "nevermind" and "I guess not."

    Originally posted by DerekTheGreat
    But, that's just coming from me, this site's biggest pessimist. Best of luck

    Originally posted by gadget73
    my car starts and it has AC. Yours doesn't start and it has no AC. Seems obvious to me.




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      Gotcha. There is a valid leak. Hopefully you get it cured soon.
      Summer car-> 1988 Lincoln Town Car, triple blue, 335,xxx km. New HO 5.0 in and running. Bought 2006/08/22. June 2017 PotM!
      Winter vehicle-> 1995 Ford F-250 XLT SuperCab 4x4, 284,xxx+km. AKA "Brutus" 460/E4OD/4.10 axles and 12 MPG. Bought 2019/08/14

      Originally posted by phayzer5
      I drive a Lincoln. I can't be bothered to shift like the peasants and rabble rousers

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        This makes me think. Maybe I should take the carpet out of my car, put some water on the floor, see where it pools up and drill a drain hole. That way, if I were to get a leak, it would drain out.

        1981 Mercury Marquis Brougham 2-Door 302/ 5-speed -special blend (GMGT)
        1987 Lincoln Mark VII 5-speed (Errand runner)
        1989 Mercury Grand Marquis (Base Runner)
        2007 Lincoln Town Car Signature Limited (Hustlyn)
        2011 Ford Crown Victoria Police Interceptor (Down with O.P.P)

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          It may not be the E-brake cable. check the boot from door to body. it comes into the A pillar right near the parking brake. I'm pretty sure the cable comes up from the floor, not really any way for that to leak.
          86 Lincoln Town Car (Galactica).
          5.0 HO, CompCams XE258,Scorpion 1.72 roller rockers, 3.55 K code rear, tow package, BHPerformance ported E7 heads, Tmoss Explorer intake, 65mm throttle body, Hedman 1 5/8" headers, 2.5" dual exhaust, ASP underdrive pulley

          91 Lincoln Mark VII LSC grandpa spec white and cranberry

          1984 Lincoln Continental TurboDiesel - rolls coal

          Originally posted by phayzer5
          I drive a Lincoln. I can't be bothered to shift like the peasants and rabble rousers

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            Maybe around the rubber boot/grommet for the door wire harness?

            1981 Mercury Marquis Brougham 2-Door 302/ 5-speed -special blend (GMGT)
            1987 Lincoln Mark VII 5-speed (Errand runner)
            1989 Mercury Grand Marquis (Base Runner)
            2007 Lincoln Town Car Signature Limited (Hustlyn)
            2011 Ford Crown Victoria Police Interceptor (Down with O.P.P)

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              The rains stopped and I got curious. Jumped outside and pulled off the e-brake assembly to get a better look as to where the water is coming from. Like Thain mentioned the e brake cables goes through the floor. No way for that to leak. My leak was coming from something above. After the parking brake assembly was out of the vehicle I quickly removed all of the vacuum auto parking brake release nonsense that never worked and removed a piece of sound deadening/jute backing from up above the kick panel area. Removing the hood release cable gave me enough access to see inside the kick panel area where I saw rust/water stains creeping in from way above. Much higher than the hing area and not the top fender bolt area either. It was more forward than that, like more towards the front of the vehicle, like in an inaccessible place behind the fender and behind a welded on piece of the vehicle.

              Accessing the situation I believe I can pack a couple areas with silicone to prevent the water from draining into that area and it will still have sufficient drainage of rain water out of the cowl area. Waiting for warmer/dryer weather before I do that.

              Eventually when the fender gets replaced I will poke around more and do the repair properly.
              ~David~

              My 1987 Crown Victoria Coupe: The Brown Blob
              My 2004 Mercedes Benz E320:The Benz

              Originally posted by ootdega
              My life is a long series of "nevermind" and "I guess not."

              Originally posted by DerekTheGreat
              But, that's just coming from me, this site's biggest pessimist. Best of luck

              Originally posted by gadget73
              my car starts and it has AC. Yours doesn't start and it has no AC. Seems obvious to me.




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                you might find something if you can get at the area under the windshield wiper then. There are a few body seams up there that may have a gap in the sealer. I'd try to seal it from the outside vs the inside just to make sure you aren't trapping water in the layers of metal where it will rot out.
                86 Lincoln Town Car (Galactica).
                5.0 HO, CompCams XE258,Scorpion 1.72 roller rockers, 3.55 K code rear, tow package, BHPerformance ported E7 heads, Tmoss Explorer intake, 65mm throttle body, Hedman 1 5/8" headers, 2.5" dual exhaust, ASP underdrive pulley

                91 Lincoln Mark VII LSC grandpa spec white and cranberry

                1984 Lincoln Continental TurboDiesel - rolls coal

                Originally posted by phayzer5
                I drive a Lincoln. I can't be bothered to shift like the peasants and rabble rousers

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                  I'll take a looksie, though from what I can tell it is coming from an area tucked just behind the fender. Gotta let everything dry well before any type of sealing takes place but I will definitely take a look.
                  ~David~

                  My 1987 Crown Victoria Coupe: The Brown Blob
                  My 2004 Mercedes Benz E320:The Benz

                  Originally posted by ootdega
                  My life is a long series of "nevermind" and "I guess not."

                  Originally posted by DerekTheGreat
                  But, that's just coming from me, this site's biggest pessimist. Best of luck

                  Originally posted by gadget73
                  my car starts and it has AC. Yours doesn't start and it has no AC. Seems obvious to me.




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                    I think there is a seam up in there too where the windshield post meets the firewall area. That one may or may not be accessible without pulling the fender.
                    86 Lincoln Town Car (Galactica).
                    5.0 HO, CompCams XE258,Scorpion 1.72 roller rockers, 3.55 K code rear, tow package, BHPerformance ported E7 heads, Tmoss Explorer intake, 65mm throttle body, Hedman 1 5/8" headers, 2.5" dual exhaust, ASP underdrive pulley

                    91 Lincoln Mark VII LSC grandpa spec white and cranberry

                    1984 Lincoln Continental TurboDiesel - rolls coal

                    Originally posted by phayzer5
                    I drive a Lincoln. I can't be bothered to shift like the peasants and rabble rousers

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                      if its up high look at pics might help.hope its not rusted out also check hinge bolts too
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                        So upon viewing the pics rellik god posted I reassessed the situation with a mirror and flash light deep up under the kick panel area. Looks as it water could be entering in anyone of those places and leading forward toward the front of the vehicle and then dripping where I see it dripping down from.

                        I grabbed the chisel and hammer and removed all of the seam sealer around that area to the best of my abilities considering the hood, hood hinge and fender is still bolted on and too my surprise a big chunk of seam sealer up under the windshield fell right off with a lot of rust sediments attached to it. I cleaned up the area with a wire wheel and wiped it down with lacquer thinner and built a tent over the area and placed a heater to warm up the repair area. Once the repair area was warmed up I open up my can of Eastwood rust encapsulater and applied it to the area and reapplied the tent and heater. 6 hours later I came back and seam sealed the areas and reapplied the heater and tent. I'll see what happens next rain. For sure though a through repair will be undergone once the fenders are off the car.
                        ~David~

                        My 1987 Crown Victoria Coupe: The Brown Blob
                        My 2004 Mercedes Benz E320:The Benz

                        Originally posted by ootdega
                        My life is a long series of "nevermind" and "I guess not."

                        Originally posted by DerekTheGreat
                        But, that's just coming from me, this site's biggest pessimist. Best of luck

                        Originally posted by gadget73
                        my car starts and it has AC. Yours doesn't start and it has no AC. Seems obvious to me.




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                          that area is an ugly one. A lot of cars I've seen have rust growing out from under seams in the A pillar, and its not easy to fix it.
                          86 Lincoln Town Car (Galactica).
                          5.0 HO, CompCams XE258,Scorpion 1.72 roller rockers, 3.55 K code rear, tow package, BHPerformance ported E7 heads, Tmoss Explorer intake, 65mm throttle body, Hedman 1 5/8" headers, 2.5" dual exhaust, ASP underdrive pulley

                          91 Lincoln Mark VII LSC grandpa spec white and cranberry

                          1984 Lincoln Continental TurboDiesel - rolls coal

                          Originally posted by phayzer5
                          I drive a Lincoln. I can't be bothered to shift like the peasants and rabble rousers

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                            Originally posted by gadget73 View Post
                            A lot of cars I've seen have rust growing out from under seams in the A pillar, and its not easy to fix it.
                            Ugh, 3 winters and my wagon is already doing that.
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                              My red P72 did this for years. And then I had the windshield out, repaired the area, and had the window installer goop it with extra urethane window adhesive when the new windshield went in. No more issues. Mine was on the passenger's side, though.
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                                X2 on the windshield...mine leaks from the passenger side as well, drips and runs down to the floor, I have to fix it. YIKES on those seams. Hope that fixed it for you! Water leaks are no fun
                                -Phil

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