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    The Hillbilly SUV rides again.. this time with 5speeds instead of just 2

    At LAST! It’s finally done. Well at least enough to drive around town I need to iron out a couple of bugs, but the Hillbilly SUV made her maiden voyage with a fully functional 5 speed setup this Saturday.

    Between being busy with work, allergies, and the heat this summer this project took WAY to long. It is completely worth it though. Even with my partially full 50 gallon diesel tank, and a few hundred pounds of scrap in the back of the car (enough to squat it down even with the air shocks at 100psi) it still feels much quicker. Of course with 31.5” tall tires and 3.08 gears it isn’t going to impress anyone else, but old Herkimer sure is a lot more fun to drive.

    Now, I just need to get those 3.73 rear gears installed and the trac-loc rebuilt.

    The biggest pain in the rear, believe it or not was the clutch pedal setup. Doing this on an 89 is no picnic. Of course I decided to go a slightly different route than 4kfe or Freshmeat. (BTW, thanks to both of them for their “vast” chronicles) I got it to work, and the pedals look and feel like a stock setup, but it was a lot more work than it needed to be.


    There were a few bumps in the road, namely I had a hard time getting the right brake booster. It’s just a non abs booster from a 92+, simple right??? Well for some reason they kept sending me one for a 93 Lincoln with ABS. This happened not once, but twice. The third time I got one I went back in the yard with them and started pulling master cylinders until I found the right one.

    I don’t know what other years fit, but I finally got one off of a 96MGM with abs that worked with my stock master cylinder. I should have cleaned it up and painted it, but I was still half afraid something would be different, and by the time I got it together far enough to tell that it was going to be ok, I said the heck with it.


    A few observations.

    I am glad I got the king cobra clutch (got it cheaper than a stock replacement when I bought some other parts a while back) but it doesn’t play around. There is no easing off the clutch to take off smoothly. It engages quicker than any stick I have ever driven before. It is a bit annoying but I am getting used to it.

    Old brake pedals make great homemade shifters. If you cut the actual pedal off, and the pivot point, what you have left is the right height and curve to make a great homemade shifter. Since most aftermarket knobs these days have set screws instead of threads the square shaft doesn’t matter. I ground the weld off the pin that pushes on the brake booster, and drove it out, which leaves a ½ hole in the shifter. I am considering drilling a few more equally spaced holes in it just for looks, and mounting the thing. If I don’t like it, I am out 0$ and maybe a dull drill bit or so.

    If you use a Vato Zone shifter boot… get the big one, the smaller one looks perfect, but it is a bit too short to line up right with the hole in the floor.


    That’s about it for tonight.
    I’ll try to get some more action shots when work slows down again.

    BTW anyone know off the top of their head how much atf it takes to fill a t-5?
    Owner of the only known 5 speed box wagon with a lift kit.
    AKA, Herkimer the Hillbilly SUV.



    Axle codes
    Open/Lock/Ratio #
    -----------------------
    G / H / 2.26
    B / C / 2.47
    8 / M / 2.73
    7 / - / 3.07
    Y / Z / 3.08
    4 / D / 3.42
    F / R / 3.45
    5 / E / 3.27
    6 / W / 3.73
    2 / K / 3.55
    A / - / 3.63
    J / - / 3.85

    #2
    pics man, you know we like pics, so where are yers?

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      #3
      I filled mine till the fluid came out of the fill hole in the side. A nice trick is to take the shifter off and fill it up from there. Have someone help you so that you can be under the car and see when it starts coming out of that hole. Then plug it and put the shifter back on. Done.

      King Cobra clutch was definitly worth it! Glad you got everything coming together! Taking your time is much better than rushing it all in a couple days.

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        #4
        pics?
        YouTube. FaceBook Crown Vic Group

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          #5
          Hoooray
          Scars are tatoos of the fearless

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            #6
            cool I want to see pics

            1989 mercury grand marquis gs / 2014 ford focus s daily driver
            302 lopo with ho upper/ aod with trans go shift kit
            k code 3:55 posi rear/big brake swap tow package car

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              #7
              LOL! I'll get some pics in the next day or so... but it looks exactly the same except with an extra pedal and a shifter sticking up trhough the floor.
              Owner of the only known 5 speed box wagon with a lift kit.
              AKA, Herkimer the Hillbilly SUV.



              Axle codes
              Open/Lock/Ratio #
              -----------------------
              G / H / 2.26
              B / C / 2.47
              8 / M / 2.73
              7 / - / 3.07
              Y / Z / 3.08
              4 / D / 3.42
              F / R / 3.45
              5 / E / 3.27
              6 / W / 3.73
              2 / K / 3.55
              A / - / 3.63
              J / - / 3.85

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                #8
                Good work man! Nice to see the collection of 5-spd tanks growing!

                That T5 should have 'about' 2-quarts of ATF in it.
                -Matt
                1968 Fairlane 500 - 1998 Camaro Z/28

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                  #9
                  Hmmm... manual wagons are multiplying...

                  Did you take pics of the pedal setup before you installed it and what you did to it? Very interested in pics!

                  You guys have me wanting to pull a perfect WR-AOD for a 5-gear swap! But I need to address the knocking rods in teh '82 first.
                  1990 Country Squire - under restoration
                  1988 Crown Vic LTD Wagon - daily beater

                  GMN Box Panther History
                  Box Panther Horsepower and Torque Ratings
                  Box Panther Production Numbers

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                    #10
                    Oh yeah, did you have to change/modify the crossmember or driveshaft?
                    1990 Country Squire - under restoration
                    1988 Crown Vic LTD Wagon - daily beater

                    GMN Box Panther History
                    Box Panther Horsepower and Torque Ratings
                    Box Panther Production Numbers

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Tiggie View Post
                      Did you take pics of the pedal setup before you installed it and what you did to it?

                      Oh yeah, did you have to change/modify the crossmember or driveshaft?
                      I took a couple but they turned out terrible. (I need a better camera)








                      I'll tell you what I did though. I used the mustang brake pedal as a template to mark up the vic pedal and cut it to the same shape. The stock mustang rubber pedal cover fits just fine. Then I took a piece of 1/4" (or was it 5/16"?) Threaded rod and ran through both pedal assemblys, where the brake pedal mounting bolt goes.
                      I rotated them till they were square, and then used a sharpie marker to make a mark on the crown vic pedal assembly. If you have acces to a 7/8" stepper bit, it is the perfect size to slide the clutch pedal shaft tube through.

                      I used my trusty dremel to grind the weld off one side of the tube, and the cut out a square of the pedal assembly on the other, leaving that weld intact. Then I used some metal screws through that material to hold the tube in place in the vic pedal assembly.

                      If I had it to do all over again, I would have completely omited the first part with the threaded rod though. and experimented with the placement of the clutch quadrant. As it was I ended up having to clearance the underside of the dash much more than I would have liked. even a 1/4" lower and toward the driver would have made my life a lot easier.

                      Actually i didn't have to modify either the crossmember, nor the driveshaft which surprised me, because I recall 4kfe and freshmeat both mentioning the crossmember issue. My driveshaft looks like it has had welding done to the transmission end of it hand. Lord only knows why, but it fit without modifications, so that saved me some time.
                      Last edited by GoodSamaritan; 09-19-2007, 10:47 PM. Reason: adding lousy pics
                      Owner of the only known 5 speed box wagon with a lift kit.
                      AKA, Herkimer the Hillbilly SUV.



                      Axle codes
                      Open/Lock/Ratio #
                      -----------------------
                      G / H / 2.26
                      B / C / 2.47
                      8 / M / 2.73
                      7 / - / 3.07
                      Y / Z / 3.08
                      4 / D / 3.42
                      F / R / 3.45
                      5 / E / 3.27
                      6 / W / 3.73
                      2 / K / 3.55
                      A / - / 3.63
                      J / - / 3.85

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                        #12
                        LOL, it's amazing how similar ours turned out! That looks almost identical to my pedal setup. I welded on the mustang brake pedal because I wanted it as far to the right as I could get it, but that is all that was different. My driveshaft didn't need modding either, fit great. I did have to move the cross member up about 1" but that was just drilling two holes in the mounting brackets on the frame.

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                          #13
                          Cool. One day I'll get another and build a 5 speed car!

                          Can't wait until next summer, gotta see this wagon!
                          Builder/Owner of Badass Panther Wagons

                          Busy maintaining a fleet of Fords

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                            #14
                            Cool

                            Maybe I'll have the 3.73's, the cargo rack, and off road lights on it by then.
                            Owner of the only known 5 speed box wagon with a lift kit.
                            AKA, Herkimer the Hillbilly SUV.



                            Axle codes
                            Open/Lock/Ratio #
                            -----------------------
                            G / H / 2.26
                            B / C / 2.47
                            8 / M / 2.73
                            7 / - / 3.07
                            Y / Z / 3.08
                            4 / D / 3.42
                            F / R / 3.45
                            5 / E / 3.27
                            6 / W / 3.73
                            2 / K / 3.55
                            A / - / 3.63
                            J / - / 3.85

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                              #15
                              mmmm...pics..sweet sweet pics.
                              YouTube. FaceBook Crown Vic Group

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