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    A Grand Marquis far from home - Life with my 1988 Mercury Grand Marquis GS

    Greetings friends,

    This is my 1988 Mercury Grand Marquis GS that I recently came upon on Facebook marketplace. As with most marketplace ads, one thing tends to lead to another and before I knew it I had bought it and was driving it home.
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    The car is mechani​cally very sound, but has had maintenance (apart from changing the oil and filter every year) pretty much just not done for the last 9-10 years that the previous owner had it. Good thing is the car hasn't really been driven all that much during that period either it seems. The guy told me me he drove it every day, but I have severe doubts about that. The car does run and drive really well, steering is tight and it also stops great.

    The body is overall pretty good. It hasn't seen winters for at least those 9-10 years the previous owner had it, and the car originally came from Georgia. It has however been repainted for a movie it starred in. It was originally white and the paint looks pretty good overall, but the frames of the windows have not been repainted and under the gas cap its still white. It has started to fade on the roof and there's a chunk of clear coat missing from the hood and the trunk (both about fist sized).

    My plan is for the car to replace my 1996 Buick Roadmaster that you see in the images above. Looking at it objectively, the Mercury is probably a step down - The Buick is a fully loaded example with all options from the brochure from what I can see (even has a limited slip 2.93 rear axle and heavy duty cooling) and that 265hp LT1 is a great joy to drive (making that 150hp 302 in the Mercury a dog by comparison). But I really like the way the Mercury looks and drives, and the Buick is a bit worn and hacked into (door panels missing a lot of screws, poorly made prior repairs etc). The Mercury will be my only car, but since I don't commute by car it will mainly just sit and collect dust in my garage. I have however applied to get a parking spot at the office where I work so whenever I get that the Mercury will be on full daily driving duty. Granted they salt the roads here pretty liberally, but the underside of it is properly coated and I'm thinking that in the winters I'll just run it through an automatic car wash near where I live once or twice a week - just got to remember to keep a wrench in the glove box to remove the antenna first!

    Trivia time: You'll note that it has those awful looking turn signals mounted on the front fender. The law here stipulates all cars 1986 and newer must have side turn signals. With the advent of LEDs it can be done pretty discretely (compare the Mercury's turn signals to the Buick's on the first image). Rear turn signals must be orange on cars 1976 and newer (you'll see that on the Buick they've put semi-discrete orange LEDs where the backup lights are), and the front turn signals and parking lamps cannot be the same. Now on the Mercury the rear turn signals are the red factory ones and by some miracle it seems to pass inspection with that (which it shouldn't), but the next inspection is due next summer so I'll see what to do about that. The front fender turn signals are horrendous and discrete LED-ones like on the Buick would be preferrable, but the hole drilled to fit the ones on it might be too large for that to work.

    Speaking of plans, here's a non-exhaustive list of work planned and things I need to look into, however not necessarily in this order of priority:
    - Replace most of the cooling system: The water pump leaks so while I'm at it I'm also doing the thermostat, both radiator hoses, the fan clutch and the coolant temperature sender.
    - The transmission has been rebuilt (9 years ago) but shifts pretty harshly 2-3 and 3-4. It shifts better at full load but something is definitely awry here. I'm looking to have a transmission shop look into it but I'd welcome any thoughts and suggestions here.
    - Troubleshoot the right rear seatbelt which seems stuck. Any recommendations and tips here are welcome.
    - Do a bunch of preventative and delayed maintenance. Apart from the cooling system above, I'm doing plugs/wires/rotor/cap, both belts, fuel filter, PCV-valve and grommet, EGR-solenoid (leaks vacuum there) and fluids in transmission and rear axle.
    - Replace both rear window motors and see why the power locks only work on the rear, but not the front.
    - Get the AC working again.
    - Replace the shocks: None of them leak but it feels like they are on the stiff side, very jittery over bumps and imperfections in a way my other similar cars that I've owned have not been.
    - Replace the four factory speakers with something decent (still hidden in the factory locations) and the stereo with a RetroSound stereo like this: 1979-89 Mercury Colony Park Newport 1.5 DIN Radio-RetroSound – Retro Manufacturing

    To round out this post, here is an image of the car being way to long for the ridiculously ​short parking spots in my garage, and out in the city on a fast food run. I'm thinking I'll use this thread to regularly update on maintenance and life with this Grand Marquis in this land far from its original home in Georgia.
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    #2
    Looks like a nice ride. Always wondered what folks in Europe did with long license plates on American cars without room for that. Now I know. Looking forward to more posts.

    On the locks, it's most certainly the actuators. Pull the door panel and check for voltage when the button is pushed.

    Do fluid and filter change on the transmission and go from there. Slightly harsh is usually better for the transmission than soft. Also be sure you have a metal bushing on the throttle body for the cable that runs from the trans to the throttle body. If plastic, replace ASAP. It's a known failure point and nukes the trans 98% of the time if it fails during use.

    No ideas on the seat belt. Pull the rear seat and see if anything is jamming it. Have not had one of those apart to know if they are repairable or not.
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    1988 Crown Vic LTD Wagon - daily beater

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      #3
      Looks nice, but as you mentioned, I'd keep the Roadmaster. It's a '96 so it's OBDII, which since all these things are getting old, it'll make diagnosis that much easier as practically any scan tool can let you see the data stream and thus make troubleshooting much less of a headache. Annd LT1 plus other amenities.

      The MGM will be a PITA as all you'll see are codes, maybe. You'll have to back-probe each sensor should you want/need to see what's going on. The other option is to buy a Rotunda Break-Out box, but meh.

      As for your trans, check the TV cable adjustment. If it's not that, you're going to have to dig deeper into it if you want an improvement:


      The adjustment really is that simple.
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      1985 LTD Crown Victoria - SOLD
      1988 Town Car Signature - Current Party Barge

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        #4
        Nice car.

        was it used in a (local to you film) or abroad?

        in pictures the white window frames don’t stand out too much because of the brite work in either side of it. I am sure it is different in person though.


        enjoy.
        ~David~

        My 1987 Crown Victoria Coupe: The Brown Blob
        My 2004 Mercedes Benz E320:The Benz

        Originally posted by ootdega
        My life is a long series of "nevermind" and "I guess not."

        Originally posted by DerekTheGreat
        But, that's just coming from me, this site's biggest pessimist. Best of luck

        Originally posted by gadget73
        my car starts and it has AC. Yours doesn't start and it has no AC. Seems obvious to me.




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          #5
          Hälsningar från öster! Welcome to the forum.

          I instantly noticed the side turn signals , do you have 3-point seat belts in the rear?
          Funny thing I just sold my '95 Caprice, it was a bit more comfortable but my Grand Marquis is nicer to drive otherwise.
          1985 Mercury Grand Marquis LS, "Maisa"
          2005 Volvo V70 Bi-Fuel

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            #6
            Tiggie thanks! Your answer made me curious so I poked around a bit about the shapes of our plates, and it seems that an EU regulation from 1998 (Regulation - 2411/98 - EN - EUR-Lex (europa.eu)​) established the look of EU plates for all member states as they currently look. Here our plates have pretty much always been those wide ones (but without the country identifier prior to that legislation). These days we can actually order what's called "US plates" (as seen on my car) from our Transport Agency (equivalent to American DMVs), but in the old days you couldn't. Back then people got around it by ordering plates with the motorcycle layout, as seen in this 1990's picture from the family collection of my dad and his Cadillac that he drove back then.
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            DerekTheGreat thanks! The Roadmaster is definitely going and the Grand Marquis is definitely staying. Don't get me wrong, the Buick is a mega-cool car but I don't feel like that particular one is the right one, as it is a bit too worn and hacked into. Definitely wouldn't mind a better one some day, preferably a Fleetwood Brougham or a Caprice. On the topic of the video, and do forgive me because I'm nothing more than a driveway mechanic, there didn't seem to be any adjusting going on with the passenger car one. He just stuck it into that plastic thing, but maybe I'm misunderstanding something?

            87gtVIC thank you very much! So according to the previous owner it was used in this film: The Hidden Child (2013) - IMDb​. It seems that the movie got an English-translated title and movie poster so it was probably showed abroad, but I had never heard of it before I bought the car so there's that. I am yet to watch the movie but might just rent it on Youtube to verify.

            Arquemann Hello neighbour, and thank you! My grandmother was a refugee from Finland back in World War II so we are practically brothers. I had the privilege of getting a tour of the Sisu Auto factory in Karjaa last fall when we went there for business, really cool company. The guy who runs it is a true gearhead as well, loves Alfa Romeos.
            My car only has lap belts in the back, thank Christ. I don't think I would've bought it if it had those EU-spec 3-point belts in the rear. In my mind it just ruins the look of the interior since they never color match. I saw that you have a Grand Marquis as well, do you daily yours? What kind of mileage are you seeing?
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              #7
              Awesome to see another overseas car. It appears you had a little bit of long-ago post history here for a different car - seems you gravitate towards full-size North American cars.

              3 and 4 in an AOD are inherently more "feely" (if that makes sense) because they receive their input torque through a direct drive input shaft. 3 and 4 are always, at all times, "lockup" - there is no converter clutch, the shaft is just always driven at 1:1 with the engine crankshaft. So a shift from 2-3 can feel pretty dramatic depending on your axle gear ratio, the state of your ignition components (e.g. a low-rpm, high-load misfire), and how your TV pressure is set. 3-4 is pretty clunky on several AOD cars I've driven and own, but it doesn't necessarily always have to be clunky. You're just very likely to feel things like differential slop on that shift. With "correct" TV pressure, the 3-4 shift is also pretty slow (referring to the time it takes the shift to actually happen). Increasing TV pressure (well beyond what is generally recommended) can really clean up the feel of those shifts, and also raises the RPM at which they happen - which helps it feel less sluggish overall.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Tynnerstroem View Post
                DerekTheGreatThe Roadmaster is definitely going and the Grand Marquis is definitely staying. Don't get me wrong, the Buick is a mega-cool car but I don't feel like that particular one is the right one, as it is a bit too worn and hacked into. Definitely wouldn't mind a better one some day, preferably a Fleetwood Brougham or a Caprice. On the topic of the video, and do forgive me because I'm nothing more than a driveway mechanic, there didn't seem to be any adjusting going on with the passenger car one. He just stuck it into that plastic thing, but maybe I'm misunderstanding something?
                Welcome! Sounds like you're already aware the Roadmaster, Caprice and Fleetwood Bro-ham are from the same platform. The Cadillac would be my choice as well, but the Roadmasters were available with actual gauges, so it's a tough call.

                The "magic" in that video is from about the 1:20 to 2:20 mark. You pull the white lock tab out and then line the black tang deal with the hole and drop it in. There should be no slack or play in the cable, meaning that as soon as the throttle is moved, the cable moves with it. Check your linkage at the TB to verify the grommet is still there. Replacement brass pieces are available. Kishy made great points about the AOD trans itself. They are pretty clunky, but shouldn't be too obnoxious. I drive a Lincoln, so unlike the rabble-rousers, I only want myself and my passengers to feel the shifts as much as necessary. Here's my experience: I set my TV cable exactly like the video described and have put nearly 81k km's and ten years behind me in said Lincoln. Shift feel & quality has never changed in that time, car itself has ~209k km's on it. Not sure if the trans was ever rebuilt. With the way it is, it'll go into overdrive between 72 and 81 km/h, which is how I'd set any other AOD in my fleet. I had another AOD car, a '91 Lincoln Mark VII. I never touched the linkage on that one, but it was clearly adjusted in the more popular way. Shifts were later and harsher. I'd say we put no more than 8k km's on it when it lost overdrive. I forget how many km's were on the car total. As a result of my experience, I'm convinced the stock components in an AOD can't handle firmer shifts over the long haul.

                Really cool your pops drove a Cadillac back in the day. It had to stand out among the crowd.
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Tynnerstroem View Post
                  -So according to the previous owner it was used in this film: The Hidden Child (2013) - IMDb​ -

                  -In my mind it just ruins the look of the interior since they never color match. I saw that you have a Grand Marquis as well, do you daily yours? What kind of mileage are you seeing?-
                  Oh, that's Fjällbacka murders, those have been in theaters in Finland. Probably completely unknown in the US. I think one of the producers or something died during filming, there was some tragedy related to those films.

                  Mine has colour matched seat belts in the back, the buckles are ugly and plastic modern ones though, middle seat is original lap belt. My car isn't quite a daily driver, I'm too broke for that. Consumption has been between 12-15l/100km and a best of 10.5l/100km on a long trip. Mine has a newer roller cam and 4bbl Holley carb on it though. The multiport injection came in '86 and is better in terms of efficiency than the '84-'85 throttle body injection mess I had.
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                    #10
                    kishy what can I say? I guess I have a type.
                    With regards to the AOD - when I went to university I had a 1991 Thunderbird that from what I understand also had an AOD, albeit with the 3.8 V6 so I am comparing a bit to that car. The 3-4 was definitely clunky on that car as well but the rest of the gears were smooth. I'm going to have my mechanic do the fluids on the car, including the trans and after that I'll look into the adjustment that DerekTheGreat illustrated.

                    Arquemann those numbers are pretty good, all things considered! I remember I had a 1996 Grand Marquis about 10 years ago, and a 2002 Crown Victoria two years ago. Newer engines and transmissions in those but I still saw an average of 11 liters per 100km in both of those, so your numbers sound pretty good.

                    The new water pump is in! I do love living in the era of Youtube, as my technical skills are nowhere near good enough to have been able to get this job done all on my own. At the same time I did both radiator hoses, thermostat and gasket, coolant sender/sensor, radiator cap and fan clutch (as well as both belts). Since these cars have no temp guage and since I see it becoming my daily in a not too distant future I need it to survive bumper-to-bumper traffic in mid-to-high 20s Centigrade (upper 70s Farenheit). Of course, those two smaller hoses that are also on the thermostat housing (that I did not even know existed) turned out to be leaky, so I am currently awaiting their arrival from RockAuto.
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                    I was using this handy little ultrasonic cleaner to do the bolts and other parts in. My dad had it lying around in his garage - what a handy little thing! Click image for larger version

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                    I also gave the car a proper wash and it does clean up really good overall. Can't wait to start driving it!
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                    Owner of a 1988 Ford LTD Crown Victoria LX

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Tynnerstroem View Post
                      The new water pump is in! I do love living in the era of Youtube, as my technical skills are nowhere near good enough to have been able to get this job done all on my own. At the same time I did both radiator hoses, thermostat and gasket, coolant sender/sensor, radiator cap and fan clutch (as well as both belts). Since these cars have no temp guage and since I see it becoming my daily in a not too distant future I need it to survive bumper-to-bumper traffic in mid-to-high 20s Centigrade (upper 70s Farenheit).
                      Never a bad idea to add an external gauge just so you know what the engine is up to. It gets well up to (and past) 35°C​ in the summer down here where your car originally used to live. Typically my cars run about 93°C​-96°C​ in slow traffic with the A/C on. Slightly cooler weather and they'll run about three or four degrees cooler on average.

                      Welcome to the forum and congrats on getting that water pump job done! Shame about the hoses, but hey, better figuring out that now than having an issue on the road.


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                      -1964 Comet 202 (116K Miles) - Long Term Project
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                        #12
                        Kodachrome Wolf Thank you! You are definitely not wrong about the temp. The car actually had an external temperature gauge mounted below the HVAC panel but I tore it out the first thing I did. I just hate how they look, hence why I need to make sure everything is good with the system haha!

                        More wrenching today! Spark plugs are done, it had Motorcrafts in it. I've never seen them with the blue lines on it like that. Also did wires, rotor and cap. It runs super good now - exhaust is whisper quiet (just the way I like it on these cars) and it runs really strong. The car does have that knocking sound when cold which I understand people call the "lopo knock", but I'm honestly not too worried about it. The 1988 LTD Crown Victoria I drove in 2011-2012 had it, plus I've seen lots of people writing about it here and on other forums. It also goes away when the car starts to warm up.
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                        This is the number eight plug and apart from being full of junk it was also oily. I do suspect that both valve covers leak, and I have new gaskets, so that job will be done at a later time.
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                        Using the shop manual as a reference to make sure I get the firing order right when putting the new plugs in. This is such a life saver, can't believe I haven't had shop manuals for my cars before. Click image for larger version

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                        This is a view I've been getting really used to since I bought the car. Looking forward to seeing less of this, and more of the view of that expansive hood from the drivers seat soon.
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                        I also replaced one of the two coolant hoses that I mentioned earlier. - still waiting for the last one, FedEx says it should arrive tomorrow (perfect excuse to work from home). This one was visibly leaking but guess what? I hadn't even properly tightened it when putting the water pump back together. Still, they are probably original to the car so might as well get them replaced as well.
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                        New one is in, and properly tightened this time around.
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                          #13
                          Here's what the interior looks like. It's the base gray cloth interior one. In overall good shape but disgusting, which doesn't really show on the pictures. Once the car is road worthy I'm taking it to a detailing shop near where I live to have them do the interior. Nice break from the expensive Porsches and other sports cars they usually do.

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                          What's not so nice is the top of the dash. So apparently it was pretty cracked according to the previous owner, so they just covered it in whatever this is. Looks OK from a distance but it's not great. It covers the sensor for the automatic lamps and also half-covers the vents for the air. I'm torn about this one - there's a shop that could probably repair the dash pad, but I've also seen that there are dash pads on RockAuto for an all right price. Does anyone have any experience with those?

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                          Now when I test drove the car after having changed that coolant hose, having reached operating temperature I floored it on the on-ramp to the highway and all of a sudden the smell of coolant came into the interior. I immediately started looking in the rear view mirror to see if it had started spewing coolant all over the road, which it hadn't. Then the coolant smell went away and didn't come back for the rest of the drive. Half way back home I pulled over, kept the car running and looked under the hood, but couldn't see any leaks either at the hoses, thermostat, radiator, or any water dropping down on the ground. After having parked it at home for a few minutes I noted moisture above the passenger side on the window (you can kind of see it on the detail image of the dash pad). Now this just screams leaking heater core to me, but I wanted to ask you guys - since the smell of coolant went away almost immediately and didn't come back either inside or outside the car, could it just have been some other temporary thing where coolant had made it in somehow while working on it? Or should I just source a heater core and start studying Youtube tutorials? My dad is going to daily it this week (since I have to sell my Buick before I can keep the Mercury at my apartment) so I'll see if the problem comes back when he drives it.

                          Bonus images - here it is with the above mentioned Thunderbird that I drove when I did my degree at the university. It's a 1991 LX with the 3.8 Windsor. I bought it in 2017, drove it for three years and then passed it on to my dad when he needed a cheap car to drive after hitting a moose with his old car. It's still in the family and hasn't even done a 100k miles yet. My dad isn't an avid car washer during the winter so the body is getting tired, but the driveline is super strong.

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                          And here is the Mercury compared to my Buick. For all of their differences their design is pretty similar - the rounded shape of the body sides, tail lights that cover all of the rear and things like that.

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                            #14
                            Your last post doesn't show pics.
                            1985 Mercury Grand Marquis LS, "Maisa"
                            2005 Volvo V70 Bi-Fuel

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Arquemann View Post
                              Your last post doesn't show pics.
                              Thanks for letting me know, it should work now hopefully.

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