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    Tint removal!

    After doing some more reading online, I finally got brave and tried my hand at removing the rear window tint on the '87 P72. I wanted to be good and careful with the rear tint so as not to damage the defroster grid any worse (apparently it'd had damage already when the tint was first installed 10 years ago, so even if I were comfortable driving at night with the tint it'd still have to come off to fix the defroster).

    Since the front and rear side windows don't have any particular concerns, I had gone ahead and tried peeling the tint off those as soon as I got the car (fronts were necessary because front tint is pretty much illegal in Michigan). The fronts came off in one piece, just leaving behind an annoying amount of residual adhesive, but the rears came off more in shreds, leaving the bottom layer behind in several places and requiring considerable attention with a small razor scraper until they were clean.

    For the rear window, I read about two methods. One sounded kind of messy, involving spreading straight ammonia on the window and covering it with plastic that's been cut to shape to help the ammonia soak in, then coming back after an hour and peeling the stuff off. But reading on, I read that steam can be your friend in this project - and it just so happens I have a steamer!

    The steam method is kind of time-consuming and tedious, but it's pretty straightforward - steam a corner till you can peel the edge up with a fingernail, and continue across the window, steaming constantly and working very slowly, so that the whole thing comes off in one piece.

    I didn't get quite that lucky and the tint did manage to separate on me a few times (probably from me getting overconfident and pulling a little too aggressively), but here the steam again came to my rescue and helped me peel the bottom layer of tint off by hand, with no scraping required. It's great how this stuff softens the adhesive and even in 30-40 degree weather leaves the window warm enough to keep peeling for a little bit after steaming.

    I'm including a few pictures, starting with my first messup and continuing until the entire window is back to stock in appearance.
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    Last edited by 1987cp; 10-23-2008, 02:27 PM.
    2012 Mazda5 Touring | Finally working on the LTD again!

    #2
    You can also use any regular dime store Window Cleaner, that contains ammonia. I used some cheap stuff to get the crappy bubbled window tint off the Rear Window of my Monte Carlo. You just park the car in direct sunlight, spray it on, wait about 30 seconds, and then start to peel, continuing to spray heavily at the edge of the tint as you peel. It comes off fairly quickly. You can also use a razor blade to speed up the process, but you have to be careful. I managed to get the entire rear window done in only 2 1/2 hours, and it is a large rear window. I got very soaked in window cleaner, and it was a PITA, but I got to keep all my defrost lines functional, which is very important on a DD.

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      #3
      Sounds like a similar process, then. A nice perk of the steam is that you don't get anything on anything except plain water. But then, if I hadn't had a steamer, I might still have ended up using ammonia. I wonder if the $50 price of the steamer would have been cheaper than paying a tinter to get the stuff off if I'd bought the thing especially for this job?

      When I went out today I picked up some of the brush-on defroster repair stuff. Would you believe my local AutoZone doesn't carry it anymore? Then at CarQuest it was $13 for the kit. I was expecting more like $5, but then, I've never personally bought any before.
      Last edited by 1987cp; 10-23-2008, 09:40 PM.
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        #4
        Wow. The car...looks...so...different! I'm wondering how well the interior will resist fading now? Looks like there is zero tint from the factory for UV protection. Have you backed up in the dark yet with the tint removed?

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          #5
          Originally posted by torquelover View Post
          I'm wondering how well the interior will resist fading now? Looks like there is zero tint from the factory for UV protection.
          Exactly why I want to get both of my cars tinted. The black carpet in the LSC has some noticeable fade. The light grey in the Towncar nobody would ever notice fade on, but I'm more concerned with the materials deteriorating, and adding a bit of UV and heat resistance sure won't hurt the AC performance, especially on a black car. The LSC is the worst, black leather interior in a black car is like sitting on a hot plate.

          If you've ever seen cars with red velour, the tops of the back seats and the sides of the front seats closest to the glass are usually baked grey from the sun. The rear panels in station wagons are usually really chalky for the same reason.
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            #6
            Originally posted by torquelover View Post
            Wow. The car...looks...so...different! I'm wondering how well the interior will resist fading now? Looks like there is zero tint from the factory for UV protection. Have you backed up in the dark yet with the tint removed?
            Yep, did it just tonight about an hour before you called. It was great! I'm used to having rear visibility in the summertime with the wagon, but it's not had functional backup lights in well over a year, so the clear window plus the upgraded backup lights made for fairly pain-free reversing.

            I agree, the car's unfortunately lost some of its uniqueness. Kind of stinks in a way, but even if I were to retint it in the future, I know this stage was necessary to get the defroster working properly again. Hopefully I'll get a chance to give it a quick test in the morning to see how the paint stuff worked.

            Do you remember offhand how faded the top of the rear seat and the package shelf area were faded when you first got the thing?

            Originally posted by gadget73 View Post
            If you've ever seen cars with red velour, the tops of the back seats and the sides of the front seats closest to the glass are usually baked grey from the sun. The rear panels in station wagons are usually really chalky for the same reason.
            Nope, wouldn't know jack about either of those situations .... Good point about leather seats in the sun, but I'd imagine it would take a pretty dark front-side tint to make a big difference ... which I don't think I'd be seriously considering even if it weren't illegal here.
            Last edited by 1987cp; 10-24-2008, 12:25 AM.
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              #7
              Originally posted by 1987cp View Post

              Do you remember offhand how faded the top of the rear seat and the package shelf area were faded when you first got the thing?
              The fading that you see now has not worsened at all from when I first bought the car. Tinting the car was an attempt at driving the car without A/C for the summer, with the side benefit of preserving the interior. Well, with the exception of the dash pad, that is. Fortunately for you, the car was gifted a near-mint dash pad shortly before you purchased it.

              The 10% tint all around was a mistake, so to speak, as the installer did not have enough of the 35% with him to do the entire rear window in one piece, which at the time no one was willing to attempt.

              I may still tint the Fusion with 50% or a clear UV-only metallic film, as the rear package tray has faded to a near white-silver hue, with the rest of the interior not far behind. This may need some looking into:

              http://www.llumar.com/na-eng/Automot...to-safety.html

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                #8
                sweet job mike how long did it take you to remove it all

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                  #9
                  Wow ... that Llumar site is quite a link. I never thought much about the security/safety benefits of window film!

                  Not sure on exactly how long I spent on the effort, but I'm guessing 3-4 hours. It was slow going!

                  Incidentally, I got a bit of a chance to test the defroster today, and several of the middle strips are gonna need more attention ....
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                    #10
                    3m makes some hardcore window films as well. IIRC you could technically get completely translucent tint that will block damaging ultraviolet rays and possibly add some safety.
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                      #11
                      Yeah, I saw that... I do like the idea of a nontinted UV-blocking film. Help with interior fading and the farmer tan situation in addition to apparently adding safety.
                      2012 Mazda5 Touring | Finally working on the LTD again!

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by 86GmLsCoupe View Post
                        3m makes some hardcore window films as well. IIRC you could technically get completely translucent tint that will block damaging ultraviolet rays and possibly add some safety.
                        That's what I am going for next spring.

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                          #13
                          keep us posted on defroster grid repair mikey

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by lincolnmania View Post
                            keep us posted on defroster grid repair mikey
                            Got several of the lines functional, but not all. Need to try again. One line I can see where it had two breaks but I only got one of them, but not sure about the others. Any particular reason you're curious?

                            Why is it that this "undectably colored" defroster touchup stuff is such a weird barf pink color that it stands out horribly no matter what color your defroster grid is?
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