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    #1

    Rust on Frame

    Hi all,

    I am a new member here. - Have a few questions, because my car has frame rust. Especially on the left front are holes visible. Here are a few photos.

    Are there any suggestions besides 'trash it'? I don't want , because it is a 'Limited Edition'.

    Is it possible to weld in this frame area? I am not 100% sure, where the location of my image is exactly on the frame and how critical it is to weld in this area?

    Thank you all
    Andy, NJ


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    #2
    That is fairly significant rust.

    I would check the rest of the frame out with a screwdriver and some force to see if there are other soft spots. If there are, it might be time for a new frame.

    You can weld it, as long as you get something solid to weld to before it gets to the top of the frame.

    What year is the car?
    1990 Country Squire - under restoration
    1988 Crown Vic LTD Wagon - daily beater

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      #3
      What he said. This is a common rust area, fixable if thats the only soft spot but I have seen pics of frames rearward of this A pillar rust and its just swiss cheese.

      My car has a patch plate on the driver's side in this area. Passenger side is more common. The AC drips there and runs into the frame and then the water lays there. Something I can tell you from my own experience, my car was welded on jack stands and it ended up tweaking the frame slightly so the door didn't quite sit right. Had to get backed into by a Dodge van to fix that. If you weld it, try and have it done on a lift that picks the car up by the tires so the frame is in it's normal position.
      86 Lincoln Town Car (Galactica).
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      91 Lincoln Mark VII LSC grandpa spec white and cranberry

      1984 Lincoln Continental TurboDiesel - rolls coal

      Originally posted by phayzer5
      I drive a Lincoln. I can't be bothered to shift like the peasants and rabble rousers
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        #4
        Could also place the stand under the rear axle and front control arms to get a similar results.
        ~David~

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        My life is a long series of "nevermind" and "I guess not."

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        But, that's just coming from me, this site's biggest pessimist. Best of luck

        Originally posted by gadget73
        my car starts and it has AC. Yours doesn't start and it has no AC. Seems obvious to me.



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          #5
          How the Car-Wizzard says: 'There is more!'

          Tiggie Yes, I have done the screw driver test already:
          There is also (one) spot on the rear left. Difficult to snap a picture. I tried anyways. Hope you can figure out the geometry.

          Btw: Welding the rear may be impossible. The damage is on the inner frame part. One may gain a bit of access by removing the gas tank, but one half of the damage is near the lower trunk wall area.​

          The front damage seems to be more severe anyways. When driving, light squeaks come from the driver's front area.
          If I jack up the car in front, the driver door doesn't close properly. It again does, when I put the wheels back on the ground.
          (Other doors never have any issues, jacked up or not.)

          So the front damage is more urgent... my opinion.

          gadget73 do you have any photo of your patch plate solution? So I can see how it is compared to my damage?
          I assume I would need a curved plate, not actually a flat patch??



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            #6
            No, but mine were smaller holes. It was repaired a number of years ago now. The patch started as a flat plate of a suitable size, one end was welded and it was formed into place as needed with a hammer.
            86 Lincoln Town Car (Galactica).
            5.0 HO, CompCams XE258,Scorpion 1.72 roller rockers, 3.55 K code rear, tow package, BHPerformance ported E7 heads, Tmoss Explorer intake, 65mm throttle body, Hedman 1 5/8" headers, 2.5" dual exhaust, ASP underdrive pulley

            91 Lincoln Mark VII LSC grandpa spec white and cranberry

            1984 Lincoln Continental TurboDiesel - rolls coal

            Originally posted by phayzer5
            I drive a Lincoln. I can't be bothered to shift like the peasants and rabble rousers

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              #7
              Many have done this or had it done.
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                #8
                May need the body lifted for clearance if it's that bad. Making sure things are straight while welding the plates will make it take longer, but will make the results better.

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                Originally posted by gadget73
                ... and it should all work like magic and unicorns and stuff.

                Originally posted by dmccaig
                Overhead, some poor bastards are flying in airplanes.
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                  #9
                  That is where my MGM had rotted, bad enough that i had to junk the car. Don't wait too long like i did
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by massacre View Post
                    That is where my MGM had rotted, bad enough that i had to junk the car. Don't wait too long like i did
                    Do you have any photos from these damages? Why welding plates was not an option? Other successfully did it. I am wondering what are my options...
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                      #11
                      If you wait long enough, the frame breaks and/or the body gets bent or mounting bolts get pulled out.

                      Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -- Albert Einstein
                      rides: 93 Crown Vic LX (The Red Velvet Cake), 2000 Crown Vic base model (Sandy), 2003 Expedition (the vacation beast)

                      Originally posted by gadget73
                      ... and it should all work like magic and unicorns and stuff.

                      Originally posted by dmccaig
                      Overhead, some poor bastards are flying in airplanes.

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                        #12
                        a lot of it depends on how far gone it is. The problem with rust repair is that its always worse than you think it is. Eventually you cut so much bad metal out that you realize there isn't enough good metal to attach anything to. When thats the case, the fix is a replacement vehicle or at least a replacement frame.
                        86 Lincoln Town Car (Galactica).
                        5.0 HO, CompCams XE258,Scorpion 1.72 roller rockers, 3.55 K code rear, tow package, BHPerformance ported E7 heads, Tmoss Explorer intake, 65mm throttle body, Hedman 1 5/8" headers, 2.5" dual exhaust, ASP underdrive pulley

                        91 Lincoln Mark VII LSC grandpa spec white and cranberry

                        1984 Lincoln Continental TurboDiesel - rolls coal

                        Originally posted by phayzer5
                        I drive a Lincoln. I can't be bothered to shift like the peasants and rabble rousers

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by andyza View Post

                          Do you have any photos from these damages? Why welding plates was not an option? Other successfully did it. I am wondering what are my options...
                          I don't have any pics but it looked similar to yours, maybe a little bit worse. Welding plates was an option, but one i was not willing to undertake.
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                            #14
                            Oddly enough, there are not many photos, showing the bare frame... So I finally sucked this cool image from a YouTube video. My front damages are in this area, marked with arrows.
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                              #15
                              Its more often on the passenger side, but thats where they always go bad. The brake and fuel lines also fail right there
                              86 Lincoln Town Car (Galactica).
                              5.0 HO, CompCams XE258,Scorpion 1.72 roller rockers, 3.55 K code rear, tow package, BHPerformance ported E7 heads, Tmoss Explorer intake, 65mm throttle body, Hedman 1 5/8" headers, 2.5" dual exhaust, ASP underdrive pulley

                              91 Lincoln Mark VII LSC grandpa spec white and cranberry

                              1984 Lincoln Continental TurboDiesel - rolls coal

                              Originally posted by phayzer5
                              I drive a Lincoln. I can't be bothered to shift like the peasants and rabble rousers
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