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    heater valve - cheap Chinese crap!

    I replaced the original heater control valve (the thing that keeps heat from blowing cold until engine warms up) back in 2012, thinking its electronics were fried. I got a Factory Air 74582 from Advance and my son tells me the damn thing is leaking now. I would think its really easier to just stick a hose barb in there (3/4" I think??) and connect the two wire ends and plug the vacuum lines too.

    Will this create any other issues for his heat control?

    thanks
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    #2
    It will just not keep the blower from turning on when the coolant is cold.
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      #3
      The solution you are describing is what a lot of people with ATC do.
      Or, instead of the hose barb you could order a hose for a non ATC system (http://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo....199&cc=1199527 or http://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo....004&cc=1199527) if the hoses are due for replacement.
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        #4
        Thanks guys for the quick reply. I replaced the hose on the right side of the valve just last year, but the heater hose from firewall to valve is older. Aren't there also vacuum lines? Do you know where they go to/come from? I know this all sounds pretty lame - my son is about 350 miles away and I'm 99% sure where he's pointing to is the valve that's leaking.
        95 DGM Impala SS, 383, LT4 cnc heads, LT4 matched intake, Holley 58 mm t/body, GM 846 cam, GMPP 1.5 rr's, F-body MAF, BH OBD I PCM, LT4 knock module, K&N cold air, Edelbrock headers, Flowmaster exhaust, BBHP #73 6-speed, 4:10 gear, sloted and drilled rotors, Z28 cluster
        96 Buick Roadmaster Limited Wagon, mostly stock
        77 Ford F150, 400M auto, longbed
        98 Suburban LS 5.7L Vortec, stock
        90 Grand Marquis, stock

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          #5
          Jumper the electrical connector, plug the two vacuum lines, connect the heater hose or replace it with a new one meant for a non-ATC car to avoid the splice.

          I had one of those explode about 3 months after I put it on the car. it pumped all of the coolant out in about 2 miles. Its been gone since.
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          I drive a Lincoln. I can't be bothered to shift like the peasants and rabble rousers

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            #6
            I've heard nothing but terrible things about the aftermarket replacement ones. I've even opened up one I found in the yard and all the internals are NFG compared to OEM ones. I am an idiot so I will go about bypassing one so that it looks factory, meaning I will remove the spring that acts against the thermostatic piston thing and jump the pins together inside the doo-hickey. If that fails then I will do what gadget73 said.
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              #7
              My concern is that its a plastic part that deteriorates from heat and can/will eventually cause a coolant leak. I'm not real fond of plastic in high heat applications, especially when it seems to generally be a shite grade of plastic that gets brittle and cracks apart.
              86 Lincoln Town Car (Galactica).
              5.0 HO, CompCams XE258,Scorpion 1.72 roller rockers, 3.55 K code rear, tow package, BHPerformance ported E7 heads, Tmoss Explorer intake, 65mm throttle body, Hedman 1 5/8" headers, 2.5" dual exhaust, ASP underdrive pulley

              91 Lincoln Mark VII LSC grandpa spec white and cranberry

              1984 Lincoln Continental TurboDiesel - rolls coal

              Originally posted by phayzer5
              I drive a Lincoln. I can't be bothered to shift like the peasants and rabble rousers

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                #8
                I'm not a fan of that either but I like to maintain things as they were from the factory. I struggle with that sometimes but the older I get, the more I appreciate non modified. If the wiring harness and vacuum lines could be removed without cutting them then I'd have done that already. Would make me warm and toasty to know that despite the stuff being removed, it can go back for whatever the reason.
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                  #9
                  My 88 had an aftermarket one when I got it. It was melted looking. Replaced with old junkyard one. Been good ever since. I use regular non molded heater hose for that part. Doesn't look quite as clean but functions well makes for an easy emergency heater core bypass.
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Tiggie View Post
                    My 88 had an aftermarket one when I got it. It was melted looking. Replaced with old junkyard one. Been good ever since. I use regular non molded heater hose for that part. Doesn't look quite as clean but functions well makes for an easy emergency heater core bypass.
                    This on my 88.

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                      #11
                      My original worked for about three months after I got it. Then the blower quit. Took it apart and there's no corrosion or funny business. So I cleaned it anyway, greased the thermostatic piston thing, put dielectric grease on the pins & resealed it. Was good for another three months and quit again. Not sure what the fuggin' issue is.
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                        #12
                        The ford units are about $60 from Rock. Don't know what they are from Tasca parts.
                        03 Marauder DPB, HS, 6disk, Organizer Mods> LED's in & Out, M&Z rear control arms, Oil deflector, U-Haul Trans Pan, Blue Fuzzy Dice
                        02 SL500 Silver Arrow
                        08 TC Signature Limited, HID's Mods>06 Mustang Bullet Rims 235/55-17 Z rated BFG G-Force Comp-2 A/S Plus, Addco 1" rear Sway, Posi Carrier, Compustar Remote Start, floor liners, trunk organizer, Two part Sun Visors, B&M Trans drain Plug, Winter=05 Mustang GT rims, Nokian Hakkapeliitta R-2 235/55-17
                        12 Escape Limited V6 AWD, 225/65R17 Vredestein Quatrac Pro, Winter 235/70-16 Conti Viking Contact7 Mods>Beamtech LED headlight bulbs, Husky floor liners

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                          #13
                          Jay, would you happen to have the part number? Didn't know you could buy Ford ones...
                          1985 LTD Crown Victoria - SOLD
                          1988 Town Car Signature - Current Party Barge

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                            #14
                            http://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo....434353&jsn=449
                            03 Marauder DPB, HS, 6disk, Organizer Mods> LED's in & Out, M&Z rear control arms, Oil deflector, U-Haul Trans Pan, Blue Fuzzy Dice
                            02 SL500 Silver Arrow
                            08 TC Signature Limited, HID's Mods>06 Mustang Bullet Rims 235/55-17 Z rated BFG G-Force Comp-2 A/S Plus, Addco 1" rear Sway, Posi Carrier, Compustar Remote Start, floor liners, trunk organizer, Two part Sun Visors, B&M Trans drain Plug, Winter=05 Mustang GT rims, Nokian Hakkapeliitta R-2 235/55-17
                            12 Escape Limited V6 AWD, 225/65R17 Vredestein Quatrac Pro, Winter 235/70-16 Conti Viking Contact7 Mods>Beamtech LED headlight bulbs, Husky floor liners

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