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    #16
    you may have to do all 3 just to make sure.

    Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -- Albert Einstein
    rides: 93 Crown Vic LX (The Red Velvet Cake), 2000 Crown Vic base model (Sandy), 2003 Expedition (the vacation beast)

    Originally posted by gadget73
    ... and it should all work like magic and unicorns and stuff.

    Originally posted by dmccaig
    Overhead, some poor bastards are flying in airplanes.

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      #17
      so if I remove, sand all three (the damn ones on fenders are in obscure and hard to get at areas) and reinstall and that doesn't fix, will be looking at replacing (junkyard). I see ford part numbers on them, but guessing they are a small fortune.

      Another question - does a faulty safing sensor also throw the #9 code?
      95 DGM Impala SS, 383, LT4 cnc heads, LT4 matched intake, Holley 58 mm t/body, GM 846 cam, GMPP 1.5 rr's, F-body MAF, BH OBD I PCM, LT4 knock module, K&N cold air, Edelbrock headers, Flowmaster exhaust, BBHP #73 6-speed, 4:10 gear, sloted and drilled rotors, Z28 cluster
      96 Buick Roadmaster Limited Wagon, mostly stock
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      98 Suburban LS 5.7L Vortec, stock
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        #18
        no, that would be code 4.

        if that doesn't fix it, you may be wire tracing. Reseating wire harnesses all the way from the sensors to the module (do this with the battery disconnected). If that also doesn't fix it... then yeah... replacement. I'll see if I can find some information on what the resistance is supposed to be of those sensors.

        Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -- Albert Einstein
        rides: 93 Crown Vic LX (The Red Velvet Cake), 2000 Crown Vic base model (Sandy), 2003 Expedition (the vacation beast)

        Originally posted by gadget73
        ... and it should all work like magic and unicorns and stuff.

        Originally posted by dmccaig
        Overhead, some poor bastards are flying in airplanes.

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          #19
          looks like it should be around 800-1200 ohm with the sensor unplugged.

          Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -- Albert Einstein
          rides: 93 Crown Vic LX (The Red Velvet Cake), 2000 Crown Vic base model (Sandy), 2003 Expedition (the vacation beast)

          Originally posted by gadget73
          ... and it should all work like magic and unicorns and stuff.

          Originally posted by dmccaig
          Overhead, some poor bastards are flying in airplanes.

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            #20
            damn. I hope I didn't disturb some wiring around the back of the intake where you have zero room to pull out the stupid PCV breather screen. I was very careful, but remember seeing a lot of vacuum and wiring looms back there.
            95 DGM Impala SS, 383, LT4 cnc heads, LT4 matched intake, Holley 58 mm t/body, GM 846 cam, GMPP 1.5 rr's, F-body MAF, BH OBD I PCM, LT4 knock module, K&N cold air, Edelbrock headers, Flowmaster exhaust, BBHP #73 6-speed, 4:10 gear, sloted and drilled rotors, Z28 cluster
            96 Buick Roadmaster Limited Wagon, mostly stock
            77 Ford F150, 400M auto, longbed
            98 Suburban LS 5.7L Vortec, stock
            90 Grand Marquis, stock

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              #21
              Nah, nothing airbag related lives back there.
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                #22
                Thanks everyone. Will work on the other two sensors tonight (clean grounds, disconnect and reconnect harnesses).
                95 DGM Impala SS, 383, LT4 cnc heads, LT4 matched intake, Holley 58 mm t/body, GM 846 cam, GMPP 1.5 rr's, F-body MAF, BH OBD I PCM, LT4 knock module, K&N cold air, Edelbrock headers, Flowmaster exhaust, BBHP #73 6-speed, 4:10 gear, sloted and drilled rotors, Z28 cluster
                96 Buick Roadmaster Limited Wagon, mostly stock
                77 Ford F150, 400M auto, longbed
                98 Suburban LS 5.7L Vortec, stock
                90 Grand Marquis, stock

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by sly View Post
                  looks like it should be around 800-1200 ohm with the sensor unplugged.
                  There's probably only two leads, right? so across the leads, 800-1200 ohms? That way I can find out which one is bad. I did find out that the OEM part number for the entire three box set is F0AB-14B005-AB (superceded to F1AZ-14B004-AB). But when I do a search, those numbers match up with only the left side sensor. But what does ebay know...
                  95 DGM Impala SS, 383, LT4 cnc heads, LT4 matched intake, Holley 58 mm t/body, GM 846 cam, GMPP 1.5 rr's, F-body MAF, BH OBD I PCM, LT4 knock module, K&N cold air, Edelbrock headers, Flowmaster exhaust, BBHP #73 6-speed, 4:10 gear, sloted and drilled rotors, Z28 cluster
                  96 Buick Roadmaster Limited Wagon, mostly stock
                  77 Ford F150, 400M auto, longbed
                  98 Suburban LS 5.7L Vortec, stock
                  90 Grand Marquis, stock

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                    #24
                    should only be one actually... the other "lead" is the case that mounts to the car... so the bolt would be a good probe point for the black lead on the multimeter.

                    Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -- Albert Einstein
                    rides: 93 Crown Vic LX (The Red Velvet Cake), 2000 Crown Vic base model (Sandy), 2003 Expedition (the vacation beast)

                    Originally posted by gadget73
                    ... and it should all work like magic and unicorns and stuff.

                    Originally posted by dmccaig
                    Overhead, some poor bastards are flying in airplanes.

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                      #25
                      I think one of the changes made with the 1992+ bomb control was to move to two wire sensors. Chassis grounding is less reliable long term as you're finding out.
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                        #26
                        So here's the findings:
                        1. Driver's side crash sensor checks out fine - resistance in spec (1170 ohms)
                        2. Passenger side crash sensor checks out fine - resistance in spec (1170 ohms)
                        3. Forward crash sensor (connects to radiator bracket) has infinite resistance.

                        But here's the deal - the two side crash sensors (in each fender) have two leads at the connector. One is simply a pass through ground. I took readings across terminals and the 'hot' terminal and a mounting bolt. My grounds are very good.

                        But the center crash sensor has FOUR leads. One is a ground - I was able to figure out that the one with the blue lead coming in (and black lead on the sensor side) is the ground. The ground is just fine (no open circuit), but when I test each of the other three leads across the ground, still get infinite resistance.

                        So guessing it is the center sensor that is bad here? I can't figure though which lead(s) would really be the live ones and would potentially measure the 800-1200 ohms, would all three?
                        95 DGM Impala SS, 383, LT4 cnc heads, LT4 matched intake, Holley 58 mm t/body, GM 846 cam, GMPP 1.5 rr's, F-body MAF, BH OBD I PCM, LT4 knock module, K&N cold air, Edelbrock headers, Flowmaster exhaust, BBHP #73 6-speed, 4:10 gear, sloted and drilled rotors, Z28 cluster
                        96 Buick Roadmaster Limited Wagon, mostly stock
                        77 Ford F150, 400M auto, longbed
                        98 Suburban LS 5.7L Vortec, stock
                        90 Grand Marquis, stock

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                          #27
                          Sounds like the center one is dead. No clue which wire is which though.

                          Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -- Albert Einstein
                          rides: 93 Crown Vic LX (The Red Velvet Cake), 2000 Crown Vic base model (Sandy), 2003 Expedition (the vacation beast)

                          Originally posted by gadget73
                          ... and it should all work like magic and unicorns and stuff.

                          Originally posted by dmccaig
                          Overhead, some poor bastards are flying in airplanes.

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                            #28
                            If you don't have the pinout for that sensor by tomorrow night I'll try to remember to post it when I get home and can look through my manuals.
                            Vic

                            ~ 1989 MGM LS Colony Park - Large Marge
                            ~ 1998 MGM LS - new DD
                            ~ 1991 MGM LS "The Scab"
                            ~ 1991 MGM GS "The Ice Car"

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                              #29
                              The sensors ground to the body via sensor housing, not the bolt. Make sure there is no rust between the housing and the body. Learned that lesson when I installed sensors on the mod box.

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                                #30
                                Originally posted by Mr Bean View Post
                                The sensors ground to the body via sensor housing, not the bolt. Make sure there is no rust between the housing and the body. Learned that lesson when I installed sensors on the mod box.
                                Yeah, makes sense. That's what I was using. I need a new center sensor.
                                95 DGM Impala SS, 383, LT4 cnc heads, LT4 matched intake, Holley 58 mm t/body, GM 846 cam, GMPP 1.5 rr's, F-body MAF, BH OBD I PCM, LT4 knock module, K&N cold air, Edelbrock headers, Flowmaster exhaust, BBHP #73 6-speed, 4:10 gear, sloted and drilled rotors, Z28 cluster
                                96 Buick Roadmaster Limited Wagon, mostly stock
                                77 Ford F150, 400M auto, longbed
                                98 Suburban LS 5.7L Vortec, stock
                                90 Grand Marquis, stock

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