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    Police cluster

    Does anyone know why the police 140 MPH cluster has no spots for the CEL and Low Fuel?
    Also, did they all not have a trip odometer or was that just some years?

    On this cluster, it was only missing the bottom 2 backlight spots(the circuit film/board didn't cover the 2 lower holes) but everything else is present for the 2 "missing" lights.
    140

    85


    Last question, can you replace the battery light with an LED or will it cause issues because it needs the proper resistance of the regular incandescent bulb?
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    #2
    I know nothing about the 140 cluster... but I do know that an LED for the AMP light will stay on all the time. It's a resistor ladder and always has power to it, so it needs an actual bulb in that location.

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    Originally posted by gadget73
    ... and it should all work like magic and unicorns and stuff.

    Originally posted by dmccaig
    Overhead, some poor bastards are flying in airplanes.

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      #3
      The low fuel light is a fancy option I believe, they probably just didn't give it to them. I pretty sure the CEL only existed in 'old-box' speedos in 88-89, and since some police cars were 351/carb anyway, they probably left that out too.
      If the car you are putting this 140 in has those options, you should be able to swap the circuit films and be good to go. I'm pretty sure the low fuel light runs off a circuit/relay outside the cluster somewhere.
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        #4
        The police cars had the cop engine, which never needed to be repaired. They also had the 21 gallon gas tank, which never ran low.




        Or the real answer is the fleet models got a lot of cheapening measures. The low fuel light was one of them. Only the 89 (and some late 88) had a computer-triggered Check Engine light, so thats probably why it doesn't have that.
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        Originally posted by phayzer5
        I drive a Lincoln. I can't be bothered to shift like the peasants and rabble rousers

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          #5
          Whoa whoa wait a minute, you mean we could swap in a 21 gallon fuel tank if we wanted to??
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            #6
            not really... it doesn't have a fuel pump in it... hence the extra gallon. Those carbed 351s had mechanical fuel pumps.

            Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -- Albert Einstein
            rides: 93 Crown Vic LX (The Red Velvet Cake), 2000 Crown Vic base model (Sandy), 2003 Expedition (the vacation beast)

            Originally posted by gadget73
            ... and it should all work like magic and unicorns and stuff.

            Originally posted by dmccaig
            Overhead, some poor bastards are flying in airplanes.

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              #7
              Really? Wow, like it would've cost Ford that much more to engineer an intermediate EFI system for their 351. T
              Would've been a great option for Town Cars and the like. So that means its not a direct swap. 21 rated gallons is a lot more than our 16. The tank capacity of our cars pisses me off. The big GM's got 20+ gallon tanks. I should've bought a 1990-1992 Brougham d'Elegance with the 350...
              1985 LTD Crown Victoria - SOLD
              1988 Town Car Signature - Current Party Barge

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                #8
                The fill neck is also shorter. Its an OLD running in-joke. I'll not bother to fill you in, you wouldn't understand and it wouldn't be funny anyway. Someone will get it and chuckle though.
                86 Lincoln Town Car (Galactica).
                5.0 HO, CompCams XE258,Scorpion 1.72 roller rockers, 3.55 K code rear, tow package, BHPerformance ported E7 heads, Tmoss Explorer intake, 65mm throttle body, Hedman 1 5/8" headers, 2.5" dual exhaust, ASP underdrive pulley

                91 Lincoln Mark VII LSC grandpa spec white and cranberry

                1984 Lincoln Continental TurboDiesel - rolls coal

                Originally posted by phayzer5
                I drive a Lincoln. I can't be bothered to shift like the peasants and rabble rousers

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                  #9
                  I'd probably get it, I can see where its going. I may be young but I don't fit in amongst most people my age or younger as I'm not into pop culture and what not.

                  Too bad though, I would've seriously swapped my tank out if it was a direct swap, filler neck difference isn't a big deal. I'd just like a driving range of 300 miles or better.
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                  1988 Town Car Signature - Current Party Barge

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                    #10
                    take the filler neck out and get a new tank grommet... use a pipe cutter to trim the filler neck back a couple of inches... or drill a hole on the top side just past the seal line. That will get more gas in the tank. New grommet is required as they will rarely re-seal unless it's fairly new already.

                    Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -- Albert Einstein
                    rides: 93 Crown Vic LX (The Red Velvet Cake), 2000 Crown Vic base model (Sandy), 2003 Expedition (the vacation beast)

                    Originally posted by gadget73
                    ... and it should all work like magic and unicorns and stuff.

                    Originally posted by dmccaig
                    Overhead, some poor bastards are flying in airplanes.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by DerekTheGreat View Post
                      I'd probably get it, I can see where its going. I may be young but I don't fit in amongst most people my age or younger as I'm not into pop culture and what not.
                      you would have had to meet a certain person for it to make sense.
                      86 Lincoln Town Car (Galactica).
                      5.0 HO, CompCams XE258,Scorpion 1.72 roller rockers, 3.55 K code rear, tow package, BHPerformance ported E7 heads, Tmoss Explorer intake, 65mm throttle body, Hedman 1 5/8" headers, 2.5" dual exhaust, ASP underdrive pulley

                      91 Lincoln Mark VII LSC grandpa spec white and cranberry

                      1984 Lincoln Continental TurboDiesel - rolls coal

                      Originally posted by phayzer5
                      I drive a Lincoln. I can't be bothered to shift like the peasants and rabble rousers

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                        #12
                        Ah. Ok, I'll just go pound this sand then.
                        1985 LTD Crown Victoria - SOLD
                        1988 Town Car Signature - Current Party Barge

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                          #13
                          If you are dying of curiosity, the story involves an incredibly chatty individual who will gladly talk your ear off about box gas tanks (especially the elusive 18? or 20? gallon tank) to the point you become nauseous... I've already said too much
                          Pete ::::>>> resident LED addict and CFI defector LED bulb replacements
                          'LTD HPP' 85 Vic (my rusty baby) '06 Honda Reflex 250cc 'Baileys' 91 Vic (faded cream puff) ClifFord 'ODB' 88 P72 (SOLD) '77 LTDII (RIP)
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                          85HPP's most noteworthy mods: CFI to SEFI conversion w/HO upperstuff headers & flowmasters P71 airbox Towncar seats LED dash light-show center console w/5 gauge package LED 3rd brake light 3G alternator mini starter washer/coolant bottle upgrade Towncar power trunk pull underhood fuse/relay box 16" HPP wheels - police swaybars w/poly rubbers - budget Alpine driven 10 speaker stereo

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by BlackVic_P71 View Post
                            Does anyone know why the police 140 MPH cluster has no spots for the CEL and Low Fuel?
                            Also, did they all not have a trip odometer or was that just some years?

                            On this cluster, it was only missing the bottom 2 backlight spots(the circuit film/board didn't cover the 2 lower holes) but everything else is present for the 2 "missing" lights.
                            140

                            85


                            Last question, can you replace the battery light with an LED or will it cause issues because it needs the proper resistance of the regular incandescent bulb?
                            I just modded my 140 speedo in my readers ride page so I could wire the "Check Engine" light to the the "Engine" light. Also moved the bulb for the "Low Fuel" to below the gas gauge to illuminate the gauge when fuel was low.

                            For the missing backlights, I took the back from my 85 mph cluster and put the 140 speedo into it. That way I didn't have to transfer the printed circuit and would have the lower illumination backlights.

                            If you use an LED on the amp light it will always run on dimly. I also remember the low fuel light not working at all when using an LED.

                            Link to post about mod: http://www.grandmarq.net/vb/showthre...l=1#post742816

                            '78 LTD | '87 Grand Marquis | '89 Crown Vic (RIP) | '91 Grand Marquis (RIP) | '94 Town Car (RIP) | '97 Town Car (RIP)

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                              #15
                              Dear Panthers,

                              One reason I replaced my instrument cluster was that godferdamnden!!! low fuel light which went on and off unpredictably and killed the Fuel gauge making it impossible to know whether you had enough gas to make the next exit.

                              Donald McCaig

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