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    Evaporative questions, Crown Victoria & Grand Marquis 1997

    Howdy folks. I'm a long term Panther owner, a 84, 87, 90, and currently 97, all Grand Marquis. Great cars, bargain priced. My favorite was the 87 for everything except power.

    Anyway, same old story, from the number of inquires I found online, but no clear answer so I thought I'd post my questions here.

    A gas smell, or fuel odor, from the front of my battlecruiser 1997 Grand Marquis with 155k miles.

    No leaks on the beautiful (stainless?) gas lines. So it comes back to the charcoal canister or purge valve or perhaps vacuum lines, at least that is my current assumption.

    So I go to look for the canister and of course, it's nowhere to be found. Boy, old cars were simpler.

    I now know it's roughly under the passenger headlight. Peeking under there I see TWO black plastic boxes. See old car comment above .

    Before dismantling the whole shebang I'd like to know what's going on. I see the big vacuum line coming from the purge valve on the firewall heading across the engine before looping under to the canisters.

    1) There is valve stem w/ valve on the vacuum line that says 1 psi max. I gather I fill it to 1 psi and observe how airtight the line is. Roughly how long should it hold 1 psi?

    2) When the line disappears under the front of the car, what's the setup under there? Are both plastic cans tied into the evap system? I can't see the big vac line but I do see two smaller lines going to the top of one can, and nearby there is a little thing with a vent cap on top that has a big line going into the side and a wire coming out the bottom.

    I don't have diagnostic equipment. Any and all advice and comments appreciated!

    Pete
    Originally posted by gadget73
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    2003 Grand Marquis Ultimate, the "Stealth Bomber": http://www.grandmarq.net/vb/showthre...-Grand-Marquis
    1991 S-10, 'Bulldog', 2.5l 5 speed: http://www.grandmarq.net/vb/showthre...375#post698375
    1985 Town Car, 'Faded Glory', gone but not forgotten. 84/87/91/97 MGMs too.

    #2
    have you looked at your vaccumm diagrams for the car, they will tell a lot of info on what the lines are actually for, as for the gas smell, that's an odd one to me, i'v got 12 panthers all different era's and i'v not seen that issue. is it a raw fuel smell, or burned fuel smell?
    1996 Grand Marquis White, 288,600 miles as of 4-3-09
    4.6L cvpi engine and pcm, Dual Exhaust, Blue Leather Interior, Keyless Entry and Remote Start, DOT Strobes, LED Front Marker Lights, Running 93 Octain Fuel.

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      #3
      Unfortunately I don't have the info you seek. Older models don't have the pressure test thing. I've seen it on newer models but I haven't a clue how it works.

      In any case, , hopefully you find the info you need
      86 Lincoln Town Car (Galactica).
      5.0 HO, CompCams XE258,Scorpion 1.72 roller rockers, 3.55 K code rear, tow package, BHPerformance ported E7 heads, Tmoss Explorer intake, 65mm throttle body, Hedman 1 5/8" headers, 2.5" dual exhaust, ASP underdrive pulley

      91 Lincoln Mark VII LSC grandpa spec white and cranberry

      1984 Lincoln Continental TurboDiesel - rolls coal

      Originally posted by phayzer5
      I drive a Lincoln. I can't be bothered to shift like the peasants and rabble rousers

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        #4
        Thanks guys for the comments.

        Raw fuel all the way - stinks so bad it's nauseating sometimes.

        I will look for the vacuum diagrams, thanks! Any idea where to find one?

        I've found that the test port is for a smoke test. Heck, I don't have that stuff

        I'm going to tear it competely apart this weekend and look at everything. I'll report back for sure!

        Pete
        Originally posted by gadget73
        For other types of inquiry, more information is required. Please press 4 to speak to a representative who can help you with your question. This call may be monitored for quality assurance purposes.


        2003 Grand Marquis Ultimate, the "Stealth Bomber": http://www.grandmarq.net/vb/showthre...-Grand-Marquis
        1991 S-10, 'Bulldog', 2.5l 5 speed: http://www.grandmarq.net/vb/showthre...375#post698375
        1985 Town Car, 'Faded Glory', gone but not forgotten. 84/87/91/97 MGMs too.

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          #5
          Do you have that decal on your shroud or anywhere near by? That should help provide some information.
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          1986 Grand Marquis LS 2 Door
          Ext: Medium Shadow Blue Metallic, Int: Midnight Blue, 3.08 open, 235/70/15 Goodyear Aquatread III, Rebuilt AOD w/ Transgo Shift Kit, 3G upgrade from 95 5.0 Mustang, Walker Dual Exhaust w/ H pipe, Viper 5900ST alarm, De-smogged, Rear Civ. Sway Bar, and more.

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            #6
            I have that same problem with my 90 Town Car.. The smell is strongest after filling the tank more than half way. I don't have any leaks, can't even find a spot where it smells the strongest under the hood. It does however seem to come from the front somewhere. I've been doing some reading too and everything seems to point to the charcoal canister. Do you just buy a new canister? Can the charcoal be replaced?
            1990 Lincoln Town Car 5.0 H.O.

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              #7
              Does a check engine light come on?
              Chris - A 20th Century Man \m/ ^.^ \m/

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                #8
                Originally posted by jm8881 View Post
                I have that same problem with my 90 Town Car.. The smell is strongest after filling the tank more than half way. I don't have any leaks, can't even find a spot where it smells the strongest under the hood. It does however seem to come from the front somewhere. I've been doing some reading too and everything seems to point to the charcoal canister. Do you just buy a new canister? Can the charcoal be replaced?
                Check the lines to the canister. Can is under the battery, accessed from underneath. There are two lines, one goes to the engine through a solenoid valve and the other goes to a steel line thats just forward of the control arm on the passenger side. If those rubber vacuum lines are cracked, or if the canister is busted open it will smell gassy. As for replacing it, I'd just stick a junkyard unit in there to be honest. The hoses are just vacuum line if that turns out to be the issue.
                86 Lincoln Town Car (Galactica).
                5.0 HO, CompCams XE258,Scorpion 1.72 roller rockers, 3.55 K code rear, tow package, BHPerformance ported E7 heads, Tmoss Explorer intake, 65mm throttle body, Hedman 1 5/8" headers, 2.5" dual exhaust, ASP underdrive pulley

                91 Lincoln Mark VII LSC grandpa spec white and cranberry

                1984 Lincoln Continental TurboDiesel - rolls coal

                Originally posted by phayzer5
                I drive a Lincoln. I can't be bothered to shift like the peasants and rabble rousers

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                  #9
                  its possible you have raw fuel in your charcoal canister.. especially if you always top off your gas tank or try and get a few more clicks in at the pump.

                  just something to think about
                  Give a man a fish and he will be fed for a day. Teach a man to fish and he will promptly forget that he once did not know, and proceed to call anyone who asks, a n00b and flame them on the boards for being stupid.

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