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    caliper question

    How do you know a brake caliper is bad?


    The rear brakes on my aero function but I don't know how perfectly. They stop the car when I'm rolling it around in my driveway but that's a lot different than stopping it at 100mph.

    The pads and rotors obviously need to go but I haven't touched anything yet aside from removing the wheels and putting a bag over everything to keep rain off of it. Probably didn't need to. Coincidentally, I haven't been able to do anything BECAUSE of the damned rain.


    If the bleeder screws aren't seized, and the piston moves freely in the bore when I use a C clamp to push em back, am I good to go?

    I'm not opposed to replacing the calipers but if I can get away without it, that's like 50 bucks in my pocket for bearings and junk like that.
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    - 1990 Ford LTD Crown Victoria P72 - the street boat - 5.0 liter EFI - Ported HO intake/TB, 90 TC shroud/overflow, Aero airbox/zip tube, Cobra camshaft, 19lb injectors, dual exhaust w/ Magnaflows, Cat/Smog & AC delete, 3G alternator, MOOG chassis parts & KYB cop shocks, 215/70r/15s on 95-97 Merc rims

    - 2007 Ford Escape XLT - soccer mom lifted station wagon - 3.0 Duratec, auto, rear converter delete w/ Magnaflow dual exhaust

    - 2008 Mercury Grand Marquis Ultimate Edition - Daily driver - 4.6 2 valve Mod motor, 4R75E, 2.73s. Bone stock

    #2
    try twisting the piston (only a few degrees) in it's bore with a pair of pliers or similar. it should move somewhat freely. Also make sure everything slides freely. I can't picture the rear calipers on an aero vic too well, but basically make sure nowhere that is lubricated and has things sliding on it is overly pitted and that everything moves.

    85 4 door 351 Civi Crown Victoria - Summer daily driver, sleeper in the making, and wildly inappropriate autocross machine
    160KMs 600cfm holley, shorty headers, 2.5" catted exhaust, 255/295 tires, cop shocks, cop swaybars, underdrive pulley, 2.73L gears.
    waiting for install: 3.27's, Poly bushings, boxed rear arms, 2500 stall converter, ported e7's, etc

    06 Mazda 3 hatch 2.3L 5AT (winter beater that cost more than my summer car)

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      - 1990 Ford LTD Crown Victoria P72 - the street boat - 5.0 liter EFI - Ported HO intake/TB, 90 TC shroud/overflow, Aero airbox/zip tube, Cobra camshaft, 19lb injectors, dual exhaust w/ Magnaflows, Cat/Smog & AC delete, 3G alternator, MOOG chassis parts & KYB cop shocks, 215/70r/15s on 95-97 Merc rims

      - 2007 Ford Escape XLT - soccer mom lifted station wagon - 3.0 Duratec, auto, rear converter delete w/ Magnaflow dual exhaust

      - 2008 Mercury Grand Marquis Ultimate Edition - Daily driver - 4.6 2 valve Mod motor, 4R75E, 2.73s. Bone stock

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        #4
        If the piston moves baqck in with the C clamp and the sliders move freely the caliper is fine. Make sure the bleeder screw can be loosened and doesn't snap of in there. and While you do the brakes lubricate the sliders as well, it's often over looked

        *edit* if it is the twist in type then same goes for twisting it in, i have no idea on the vic calipers.
        -Phil

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        +1982 Ford LTD-S Police Car. Built 351w, Trickflow 11R 190 Heads, Holley Sniper EFI, RPM Intake+ Hyperspark dizzy, WR-AOD, Full exhaust headers to tails. 3.27 Trac-Lok Rear. Aluminum Police Driveshaft. Speedway Springs+Bilstein Shocks, Intermediate Brakes, HPP Steering Box.

        +2003 Acura CL Type S 6-speed

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          #5
          yeah, that looks like your main thing is going to be the piston moving freely both in rotation and in-out.

          Make sure you get all the rust off the caliper bracket where the pads ride and that you lube the shims/sliders that are inbetween. Ideally, you'll get name brand pads that come with new shims... I think shim is the term, no one ever uses a name at work. The chromeish little sheetmetal things. Lube them on both side (contacting the pads and contacting the caliper bracket) and make sure all scaley/loose rust is removed from the caliper bracket. Rust buildup in the caliper bracket area where the pads ride can cause the pads to stick. I've seen where you need a BFH to knock them loose from their seat, meaning they clearly aren't retracting from the rotor properly.

          Hope this helps. I might have covered stuff you already know but I don't know if you've dealt with calipers like that before.

          85 4 door 351 Civi Crown Victoria - Summer daily driver, sleeper in the making, and wildly inappropriate autocross machine
          160KMs 600cfm holley, shorty headers, 2.5" catted exhaust, 255/295 tires, cop shocks, cop swaybars, underdrive pulley, 2.73L gears.
          waiting for install: 3.27's, Poly bushings, boxed rear arms, 2500 stall converter, ported e7's, etc

          06 Mazda 3 hatch 2.3L 5AT (winter beater that cost more than my summer car)

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            #6
            thanks guys. i'll pull the calipers and see how the movement is. they look pretty rusty on the exterior so i'm not expecting them to be perfect.


            will probably just get the cheapest calipers i can at the parts store just for the sake of having new/guaranteed brake parts on there. i didn't price them yet but rotors and pads together were only about 90 bucks.
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            - 1990 Ford LTD Crown Victoria P72 - the street boat - 5.0 liter EFI - Ported HO intake/TB, 90 TC shroud/overflow, Aero airbox/zip tube, Cobra camshaft, 19lb injectors, dual exhaust w/ Magnaflows, Cat/Smog & AC delete, 3G alternator, MOOG chassis parts & KYB cop shocks, 215/70r/15s on 95-97 Merc rims

            - 2007 Ford Escape XLT - soccer mom lifted station wagon - 3.0 Duratec, auto, rear converter delete w/ Magnaflow dual exhaust

            - 2008 Mercury Grand Marquis Ultimate Edition - Daily driver - 4.6 2 valve Mod motor, 4R75E, 2.73s. Bone stock

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              #7
              Originally posted by johnunit View Post
              I've seen where you need a BFH to knock them loose from their seat, meaning they clearly aren't retracting from the rotor properly.
              I used to do this more often than not; since then I've bought a couple of big C clamps specifically for retracting caliper pistons.
              2012 Mazda5 Touring | Finally working on the LTD again!

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                #8
                do you have rear drums or rear disk brakes btw?

                Probably, they all work.
                What you want to watch out for though is if you have floating calipers and one pad wears MUCH faster and the other looks near new... seized piston

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                  #9
                  I have rear drums but a donor aero with better gears and discs. I'm amassing brake parts for the disc brake axle right now.
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                  - 1990 Ford LTD Crown Victoria P72 - the street boat - 5.0 liter EFI - Ported HO intake/TB, 90 TC shroud/overflow, Aero airbox/zip tube, Cobra camshaft, 19lb injectors, dual exhaust w/ Magnaflows, Cat/Smog & AC delete, 3G alternator, MOOG chassis parts & KYB cop shocks, 215/70r/15s on 95-97 Merc rims

                  - 2007 Ford Escape XLT - soccer mom lifted station wagon - 3.0 Duratec, auto, rear converter delete w/ Magnaflow dual exhaust

                  - 2008 Mercury Grand Marquis Ultimate Edition - Daily driver - 4.6 2 valve Mod motor, 4R75E, 2.73s. Bone stock

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                    #10
                    Also inspect the rubber boot around the piston. If it looks crackey, replace caliper. I had a Civic I worked on recently where the boot had actually torn and the car would piss brake fluid every time you stepped on the brakes.
                    Originally posted by gadget73
                    There is nothing more permanent than a temporary fix.
                    91 Mercury CP, Lopo 302, AOD, 3.08LSD. 3g upgrade, Moog wagon coils up front, cc819s in the back. KYB GR-2 police shocks. Energy suspension control arm bushings. Smog deleted.
                    93 F-150 XLT, 302, ZF 5-spd from 1-ton, 4wd.
                    Daily--07 Civic Coupe. Bone stock with 25k miles
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                    95 Subaru Legacy Wagon--red--STOLEN 1/6/13

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                      #11
                      You need torx sockets to remove rear calipers.

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                        #12
                        any idea what size? i have a few t50 bits but that's about it
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                        - 1990 Ford LTD Crown Victoria P72 - the street boat - 5.0 liter EFI - Ported HO intake/TB, 90 TC shroud/overflow, Aero airbox/zip tube, Cobra camshaft, 19lb injectors, dual exhaust w/ Magnaflows, Cat/Smog & AC delete, 3G alternator, MOOG chassis parts & KYB cop shocks, 215/70r/15s on 95-97 Merc rims

                        - 2007 Ford Escape XLT - soccer mom lifted station wagon - 3.0 Duratec, auto, rear converter delete w/ Magnaflow dual exhaust

                        - 2008 Mercury Grand Marquis Ultimate Edition - Daily driver - 4.6 2 valve Mod motor, 4R75E, 2.73s. Bone stock

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                          #13
                          t40 or t45 and some are allen

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                          2006 Lincoln Town Car Signature. Stock for now
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