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    Throwing Belts

    I just changed a leaky water pump on my 89 Colony Park w/302.

    I thought something was missing in that there wasn't a spacer on the bolt for the smog pump (the one that you have to take the pulley off to get to) when I tore the car apart. I bet that there is supposed to be a spacer between the smog pump and the front of the block.

    Since the water pump replacement, I haven't been able to keep the belt for the smog pump/Air conditioner on for more than a few miles.

    Without searching in salvage yards, could one of the gang tell me how long is this spacer? I could fab one out of pipe to keep the belt on and me cool this summer.

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    Yes, there is supposed to be a spacer there, I'll measure mine tonight - I have like three of them there, since I have no smog pump anymore, and I wanted to keep the bolt as an extra support for the tensioner plate. However I have a question for you - does your state have emissions testing, and if yes what kind (sniffer, visuals, both)? If you don't have emissions, or you do but it's only the sniffer machine and no visuals, you are fully able to get rid of the smog pump and all the hose mess to the right of the engine without jurting the emissioms one bit - you lose some weight, get some more space for changing sparkplugs, gain some HP (and maybe MPG), and don't need to worry about spacers and stuff like that. You need a #560K belt to bypass the smog pump, have a look at this thread for how to route it:
    Air Conditioning is Functional! - GrandMarq.NET - Panther Headquarters
    http://www.grandmarq.net/vb/showthread.php?t=8506
    The meat and potatoes of GMN-Discussions related to the 5.0/5.8 engine.

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      #3
      Lincolnmania should have a few...I dropped a load of scrap at Skippy's friday and had a few smog setups in it...
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        #4
        Unfortunately, Virginia has both a visual and the dyno-roller/sniffer test.

        The short belt solution has promise, but I prefer to tear this apart only one more time to fix this before summer. I barely have time to fix it at all.

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          #5
          MD also has visual and the dyno/sniffer test. I've never failed the visual, even with most parts removed. My wagon is the first panther I've had that failed the sniffer..
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            #6
            Sadly, for the visual test in Virginia the emmisions tech has a checklist of stuff to look for (one of them being smog pump).

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              #7
              Emissions testing is once an year, right? Then hook up the damn thing for that one day, go get the testing done, then when you get home just take all the stuff out, it's like half an hour job.

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                #8
                The spacer is a bit around an inch. It's pretty easy to eyeball where the pulley needs to be for the belt to be aligned.
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                  #9
                  What was this bolt's thread, 1/2? Go to the nearest hardware store and pick up some 1/2 flat washers and some 9/16 nuts, then slide the necessary amount of both between the smog pump and the engine block - there's your spacer, for less than a $1

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                    #10
                    I don't think its that big. Like 3/8" or 7/16" probably.
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                      #11
                      It's a 5/16 or 3/8...
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Ivan D
                        Emissions testing is once an year, right? Then hook up the damn thing for that one day, go get the testing done, then when you get home just take all the stuff out, it's like half an hour job.
                        Got to be careful though, if you removed the factory smog equipment, some places will refuse to work on your car. In PA, one of the garages that I've been taking my cars for years for inspection & jobs I couldn't do refused to charge my AC since I removed the smog pump. They said since it has been removed, they can't do anything because I removed federal emissions equipment. If they worked on it, they could be liable for working on a tampered car if someone inspecting the car traced it back to them, which could result in a hefty fine. Its doesn't make much sense but PA has strict visual and sniffer tests in my county.
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                          #13
                          Sounds like your garage is overly anal. I have no such issues here. They don't even open the hood on my car. I think they checked it for cats, but I'm not 100% sure of that. They stick it on a dyno and use the sniffer. As long as the sniffer is smelling roses, its all good.
                          86 Lincoln Town Car (Galactica).
                          5.0 HO, CompCams XE258,Scorpion 1.72 roller rockers, 3.55 K code rear, tow package, BHPerformance ported E7 heads, Tmoss Explorer intake, 65mm throttle body, Hedman 1 5/8" headers, 2.5" dual exhaust, ASP underdrive pulley

                          91 Lincoln Mark VII LSC grandpa spec white and cranberry

                          1984 Lincoln Continental TurboDiesel - rolls coal

                          Originally posted by phayzer5
                          I drive a Lincoln. I can't be bothered to shift like the peasants and rabble rousers

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                            #14
                            no roller or sniffer testing here, only visual. You must be close to the DC area
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                              #15
                              Close is correct. Arlington,VA

                              Thanks to everyone for all the help and suggestions.

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