302 boss

[Mercracer]

Yes it may work fine on a 351, not optimum, but it may work. But on a 302 the Boss' intake plenum/runner volume is just too large. It may idle fine but the throttle response will just not be as good as you'd have with an standard aftermarket 302 intake. Top end would be great(if you blended the ports on the heads for a smooth transition ) but the low end it going to be a little soggy. Just like with a Boss 302 only not quite as bad.

Did you catch the part that it is a dual plane? We are not talking about a 2.73 geared car. With the 2V heads, it would be nothing like a Boss 302. The Cleveland 2V ports have plenty of velocity. The plenum volume is less than a Victor Jr. which I run on a 302 on the street with no soggy bottom end. Give it a break dude. You personally may be afraid to do it, but I guarantee that someone who would do it would be suprised with the results. Let's leave it at the fact that it wouldn't be optimum.

[mrltd]

it is stupid and embarassing to argue with mercracer.

[Fordman75]

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I obviously don't know a damn thing about building Fords. I've only been building them since I was 13.

If he wants to go out and buy a Boss intake, more power to him! But for the same amount or even less $$$ he could have a better performing engine. But whatever floats his boat.

[gadget73]

fight nice now kids.

And to stop all this, just stick a 340 with a smallblock 727 TorqueFlite in there and be done with it. That'll be different :evil:

[Fordman75]

All I'm saying is just because it will bolt on doesn't mean it will perform. It's all about matching the combination of parts or modifying them to work well with each other.

You can take a stock 302 slap a 4V intake on it and a 800 cfm Holley DP carb on it. It will run but it doesn't mean it will perform well. You can throw in a huge cam in a stock motor but with out the heads, compression, induction, exhaust and tune it's just isn't going to do much.

I think it's better to work smarter not harder that's all.

So I'll just agree to disagree.

[Mercracer]

I obviously don't know a damn thing about building Fords. I've only been building them since I was 13.
If he wants to go out and buy a Boss intake, more power to him! But for the same amount or even less $$$ he could have a better performing engine.

You are being stubborn and ignoring the point I am making. Most posts I made include the statement that it isn't ideal. The point is that it will not run like crap or have a soggy bottom end. The question was asked if it could be done and if it would work. The answer is that it would work fine, but not be ideal.
As per the advice I gave, I would prefer to use a standard 302 Intake because of the better selection available with port plates.
If I want to do it just for fun, I can because I already own a factory Boss 302 intake. I have been seriously acruing Ford factory muscle parts for over 20 years, and have been working on them for over 25. When you started working on Fords at age 13, I already had 10 years of Ford experience under my belt. I never claimed to know everything, but I will object to someone saying that something will not work without the relevant experience to back it up.

All I'm saying is just because it will bolt on doesn't mean it will perform.

You would be suprised how well the engine in question would perform even with the missmatch in ports. We are specifically talking about a Boss 302 dual plane intake and Cleveland 2V heads on a 302. We are not talking about a Super Victor intake with a 1000CFM Dominator carb. A discriminating cam choice, some intake port massaging on the heads and a decent tune would allow that motor to run just fine. Not the best possible way, but just fine.
Everyone is clear that you are against the mix of parts that he has inquired about. The simple fact is that he never asked what the perfect combination was, but asked specific questions about specific combinations of parts. The whole point of doing a Clevor is to be different. In that spirit, you can be a bit creative.

[Fordman75]

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[Mercracer]

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Whatever dude.......I guess we are done here.....

[Mercracer]

Let's try to keep it on topic now guys and answer the specific questions at hand

But all the 302 boss motors had 4V heads. I use 2V heads and a factory boss intake I wanna make sure its gonna bolt together.

It has been said over and over that this is not ideal.....with that being said, a Boss intake would physically bolt to your Cleveland 2V heads with the appropriate mods and would funtion ok. New Boss 302 intakes are fairly expensive and unmilled original factory intakes are not often at a bargain price. The recommended method would be to use port plates and the conventional 302 intake of your choice.
In any case, you have to use Clevor pistons as the 2.05 Intake valves would be sure to hit a standard 302 piston.

[Fordman75]

Oh yea and one final note for someone with no "relevant experience " I did own a 70 boss 302 Mustang when I was 17.

And just for some on topic info for Southern_Pride. When you get your 2V Cleveland heads you'll need to have the square waterpassage hole on the deck surface of the head drilled out and a dorman plug installed. Then you'll need to have a hole drilled in the intake surface of each head for the water crossover at the front of the intake. The Cleveland didn't have the crossover in the intakes because the thermostat was on the engine block.

Good luck with the project. It should be cool.

[Mercracer]

Oh yea and one final note for someone with no "relevant experience " I did own a 70 boss 302 Mustang when I was 17.
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OK......... one more post on this.............Did you take the intake off of your Boss 302 and put it on a 289 or 302 with Cleveland 2V heads?

[Mercracer]

Here is an article with the contact info for Bush Performance who is the current vendor for Clevor intakes.
Clevor Article


Here is the install details right out of a Ford Racing (FRPP) Catalog....they are on the last page of the PDF (Page5). A little fuzzy on the diagram for drilling the holes. I can scan & post a better picture on Monday.
Detailed Destructions w/graphics

[Fordman75]

Actually I didn't need to remove the Boss intake the engine was in pieces when I bought the car from a farmer. So I did try the intake but I never ran it. It was a 65 289 shortblock(out of my 65 coupe ) and some late 70's 351M heads(the Boss heads were at the machine shop getting cleaned and magnafluxed ). I was rebuilding the 289 and just bolted the heads and intake on to see if they would fit. It bolted right on. I needed to get the 289 finished so I could drive the Stang so I just finished the engine with the stock cylinder heads.

My Boss wasn't pretty but it was a real Boss 302. The farmer said it belonged to his son(who passed away ) and just thought it was a old stang with some stripes. I got it for $300 and made one hell of a profit when I sold it to a restorer. I pulled it home with my 65 Mustang. The white hood on it was off the son's 69 mach 1. Someone stole the Boss' hood and shaker(that was supposedly in the car. The toploader, cylinder heads and intake and carb were in it so the thieves weren't too bright.

[Mercracer]

Actually I didn't need to remove the Boss intake the engine was in pieces when I bought the car from a farmer. So I did try the intake but I never ran it. It was a 65 289 shortblock(out of my 65 coupe ) and some late 70's 351M heads. I was rebuilding the 289 and just bolted the heads and intake on to see if they would fit. It bolted right on. I needed to get the 289 finished so I could drive the Stang so I just finished the engine with the stock cylinder heads.

So.....you had an actual Boss 302 Mustang without a Boss 302 motor?

[Fordman75]

The 289 was the engine I tried the intake on. The original Boss shortblock was still in the Boss. I had the 289 on a engine stand in my garage because I was rebuilding it for my 65 C-code coupe. I had the Boss intake in the garage cleaning it up and had the 351M heads sitting on a shelf I was curious so I tried them.