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    Timing, SEE PIC!!

    I was talking with scott last night and he told me (due to recent engine troubles) to check the timing... the engine wont run right so he told me to

    "you can check it by cranking it
    first put the balancer to top dead center
    see if the rotor points to #1 plug
    if its off 180 deg, rotate the crank
    should point to #1
    if it's off by much timing chain jumped"


    I did this after much cranking to get it to 0 on the balancer... I wasn't sure exactly what constituted as "off by much" so i marked it and took a picture!
    Let me know what you guys think.... thanks!


    The green mark is where the contact point for cyl #1 is... as you can see the rotor isnt dead center with it...




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    -Phil

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      #3
      here is a picture of the balancer...i know it looks like there are two zeros, however the one it is not lined up with is actually a 10...it just doesn't show up in the picture well...i edited it slightly to make the numbers and marks more visible..

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      -Phil

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      +1982 Ford LTD-S Police Car. Built 351w, Trickflow 11R 190 Heads, Holley Sniper EFI, RPM Intake+ Hyperspark dizzy, WR-AOD, Full exhaust headers to tails. 3.27 Trac-Lok Rear. Aluminum Police Driveshaft. Speedway Springs+Bilstein Shocks, Intermediate Brakes, HPP Steering Box.

      +2003 Acura CL Type S 6-speed

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        #4
        Originally posted by Pesty351 View Post
        that wont work because it will barely idle..... we even tried it, and it was flashing on the highlighted timing mark...however it wouldn't be accurate due to the low, uneven, and rough idle...
        -Phil

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        +1982 Ford LTD-S Police Car. Built 351w, Trickflow 11R 190 Heads, Holley Sniper EFI, RPM Intake+ Hyperspark dizzy, WR-AOD, Full exhaust headers to tails. 3.27 Trac-Lok Rear. Aluminum Police Driveshaft. Speedway Springs+Bilstein Shocks, Intermediate Brakes, HPP Steering Box.

        +2003 Acura CL Type S 6-speed

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          #5
          Originally posted by Brown_Muscle View Post
          that wont work because it will barely idle..... we even tried it, and it was flashing on the highlighted timing mark...however it wouldn't be accurate due to the low, uneven, and rough idle...
          It would if you disabled the spark advance.

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            #6
            that isnt the problem

            check compression next......if all cyls are even, it's prob carb related

            1986 lincoln towncar signature series. 5.0 HO with thumper performance ported e7 heads, 1.7 roller rockers, warm air intake, 65mm throttle body, 1/2" intake spacer, ported intakes, 3.73 rear with trac lock, 98-02 front brake conversion, 92-97 rear disc conversion, 1" rear swaybar, 1 3/16" front swaybar, 16" wheels and tires, loud ass stereo system, badass cb, best time to date 15.94 at 87 mph. lots of mods in the works 221.8 rwhp 278 rwt
            2006 Lincoln Town Car Signature. Stock for now
            1989 Ford F-250 4x4 much much more to come, sefi converted so far.
            1986 Toyota pickup with LSC wheels and 225/60/16 tires.
            2008 Hyundai Elantra future Revcon toad
            1987 TriBurner and 1986 Alaska stokers keeping me warm. (and some pesky oil heat)

            please be patient, rebuilding an empire!

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              #7
              This confuses the bejesus out of me....I want to set mine where it's supposed to be just for the hell of it - It runs decently, but I figure it wouldn't hurt to make sure the timing is correct. Trouble is, I don't have a timing light, or a clue.
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                #8
                Thats fine. It won't be dead on #1 at TDC, it will be dead-on at roughly 10 BTDC. If the timing chain jumped, it would be way the hell off, like a full tower at least. Usually that goes along with a cranking sound like it has no compression.
                86 Lincoln Town Car (Galactica).
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                Originally posted by phayzer5
                I drive a Lincoln. I can't be bothered to shift like the peasants and rabble rousers

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Lincolnmania View Post
                  that isnt the problem

                  check compression next......if all cyls are even, it's prob carb related
                  ^^^ this, and get a good look at the plugs

                  then fuel pump/supply and fuel quality are also things to look at

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                    #10
                    This all started happening after he got gas. If he didn't mention it.

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                      #11
                      it might be the gas itself then

                      take a sample, see if it looks muddy or has water in it. take it right at the shraeder valve, fill up a 20oz soda bottle and let it settle

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by jayh View Post
                        it might be the gas itself then

                        take a sample, see if it looks muddy or has water in it. take it right at the shraeder valve, fill up a 20oz soda bottle and let it settle
                        Did the carbed cars have a scraeder valve?

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                          #13
                          doh! good point, unhook the fuel line, and fill the bottle.

                          reguardless, take a fuel sample

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                            #14
                            yea carbs are really sensitive to shit fuel

                            1986 lincoln towncar signature series. 5.0 HO with thumper performance ported e7 heads, 1.7 roller rockers, warm air intake, 65mm throttle body, 1/2" intake spacer, ported intakes, 3.73 rear with trac lock, 98-02 front brake conversion, 92-97 rear disc conversion, 1" rear swaybar, 1 3/16" front swaybar, 16" wheels and tires, loud ass stereo system, badass cb, best time to date 15.94 at 87 mph. lots of mods in the works 221.8 rwhp 278 rwt
                            2006 Lincoln Town Car Signature. Stock for now
                            1989 Ford F-250 4x4 much much more to come, sefi converted so far.
                            1986 Toyota pickup with LSC wheels and 225/60/16 tires.
                            2008 Hyundai Elantra future Revcon toad
                            1987 TriBurner and 1986 Alaska stokers keeping me warm. (and some pesky oil heat)

                            please be patient, rebuilding an empire!

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                              #15
                              It would if you disabled the spark advance.
                              I did

                              Originally posted by Lincolnmania View Post
                              that isnt the problem

                              check compression next......if all cyls are even, it's prob carb related
                              doh! good point, unhook the fuel line, and fill the bottle.

                              reguardless, take a fuel sample
                              Will do!

                              Thanks
                              -Phil

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                              +1982 Ford LTD-S Police Car. Built 351w, Trickflow 11R 190 Heads, Holley Sniper EFI, RPM Intake+ Hyperspark dizzy, WR-AOD, Full exhaust headers to tails. 3.27 Trac-Lok Rear. Aluminum Police Driveshaft. Speedway Springs+Bilstein Shocks, Intermediate Brakes, HPP Steering Box.

                              +2003 Acura CL Type S 6-speed

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