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    351 Windsor?

    I was checking prices the other day on the new engine for my car... And noticed that the 351 was the same price... so it made me wonder about putting in a 351... Of course I know that I will have to do some converting... like intake, four barrel, fuel pump, and ignition... (I already have a 351 aircleaner I saw it at the junk yard last week... Picked it up just in case!) And I have to check and see if the guiy that is going to be doing the swap for me will want to do the extra stuff needed for the conversion... The 302 will be a easier swap out, but I would sort of like to have a little bit more power, also...

    So the reason I am asking is some people have told me that the 351 W is junk, and to stay with the 302... What do you guys think about the duribility of the 351? That is my main issue--- duribility, and longevity... I want it to last 200,000 miles or more... Since I am keeping the car as long as possible...

    I have never had a vehicle with the 351 W in it, so i can't judge the power increase it would give me, duribilty etc....

    Tom...


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    The stock 351 is not really any more powerful than the stock 302. 180 hp vs 160, and 5 ft/lb of torque more. The 4bbl intake helps with that, the stock VV carb and intake is really awful. You can do some mild upgrades and make a heck of a lot more power without any great effort though. Money wise, you can probably stick an HO motor in there for the same or less money and get the same power out of it. No exhaust mods or special brackets needed, and the EFI can stay. It would look exactly the same under the hood, other than the color of the injector tops but you really have to look close to notice that.

    They are far from a junk engine as far as durability, but the camshafts in them are total turds. Possibly whoever you talked to was thinking 351M, those had oiling problems.
    Last edited by gadget73; 12-28-2008, 01:23 PM.
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      #3
      Put in a 351W with stock E7 heads and the mildest Performer camshaft. Your rear tires will not thank you.

      Better yet, consider BHP heads and a retrofit rollercam from Comp for truly outrageous torque levels.

      I forgot to ask, what sort of smog Nazism is the car liable to be subjected to?
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        #4
        Originally posted by 1987cp View Post
        Put in a 351W with stock E7 heads and the mildest Performer camshaft. Your rear tires will not thank you.

        Better yet, consider BHP heads and a retrofit rollercam from Comp for truly outrageous torque levels.

        I forgot to ask, what sort of smog Nazism is the car liable to be subjected to?
        in Florida, where me and Tom are, my car is still ok with no emissions controls except a pair of "cats" in case anyone wants to start peeking around.
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          #5
          I forgot to ask, what sort of smog Nazism is the car liable to be subjected to?

          in Florida, where me and Tom are, my car is still ok with no emissions controls except a pair of "cats" in case anyone wants to start peeking around.

          Except for the class that I show it in, it has to retain all of the stock equipment, or it is considered "modifed" which means it gets put in with the $50,000 cars.... Since most "modified" cars are HIGHLY modified... So it is almost impossible to compete in a modifed class with a stock car....


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            #6
            I'd go with an HO or Explorer motor. Keep the EFI.

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              #7
              Hey Tom, The 351w is not junk. You have seen mine, after more than 3 years of sitting it started with little else other than a tune-up.

              Would the car show consider it "modifed" if the 351 was a factory option in the LTD?

              As for the swap. I would go with a HO or an Explorer 5.0. The 351 swap may be more trouble than it's worth.

              Now of you want to sell the LTD...
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                Originally posted by trwp72 View Post
                Except for the class that I show it in, it has to retain all of the stock equipment, or it is considered "modifed" which means it gets put in with the $50,000 cars....
                I don't suppose you could get away with a head and cam swap so long as you retain stock-type induction and exhaust? I would think those changes would be imperceptible visually.
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                  #9
                  Not as long as it is installed the same as a factory installation. If the car were to look like the underhood of your car... (Another words, has all the smog equipment, no chrome valve covers, air cleaner etc...)


                  And if i'm put a new engine in it... NO on selling it!!!!

                  (Actually, I'm going to keep it anyway!)


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                    #10
                    do you have a site where you were looking at engines?

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                      #11
                      If you daily drive the car, expect to experience a significant hit for fuel economy. My 351 with the VV rarely got better than 15-16 on the highway, and got about 10 around town. The 4 bbl swap didn't hurt it much, and neither did the 3.73s... But I probably get 14 on the highway now, and 11-12 around town.

                      Stock 351 is a turd, as you may well know. No amount of bolt ons will really 'wake it up'. Take it from someone who has tried. Might as well make some undetectbale upgrades while you are at it. Cam and heads (maybe some Thumpers, so you can maintain working smog equipment), larger exhaust (but retaining the stock manifolds, I'd assume). If you want to retain EGR, you'll need to use the Edelbrock intake 3783, and an EGR plate (which can be sourced from a 4bbl Mustang, etc). Or, a stock 351 HO truck intake from the mid 80s will work as well.

                      I may have the A/C bracket, should you need it. The factory air cleaner will hide the carb and intake well. You can also use factory TV cable and throttle cable from a '90+ 351 car. Lokar kit is flashy, and reportedly not as effective at maintaining proper TCV pressure.

                      I also have a set of the 351 VCs, which look like the ones from CFI cars, I think. Also, if it helps, my 351, and all the other 351 cars I have had (6 351 P72s total), have had a grey engine, and a black air cleaner.

                      Good luck on the project, and keep us posted.
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                        #12
                        tom
                        i would install a 302 ho.......you can keep stock appearance and not lose fuel economy or show points......alot of us have the ho conversion parts you will need

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                          #13
                          Since u have a 351w can an EFI be done from a Ford F Series w/the same size motor????
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by cable-guys-p70-hpp View Post
                            Since u have a 351w can an EFI be done from a Ford F Series w/the same size motor????
                            Not easily. The manifolds are tall on the trucks, and it may not clear the hood. It will also not look stock at all.
                            86 Lincoln Town Car (Galactica).
                            5.0 HO, CompCams XE258,Scorpion 1.72 roller rockers, 3.55 K code rear, tow package, BHPerformance ported E7 heads, Tmoss Explorer intake, 65mm throttle body, Hedman 1 5/8" headers, 2.5" dual exhaust, ASP underdrive pulley

                            91 Lincoln Mark VII LSC grandpa spec white and cranberry

                            1984 Lincoln Continental TurboDiesel - rolls coal

                            Originally posted by phayzer5
                            I drive a Lincoln. I can't be bothered to shift like the peasants and rabble rousers

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                              #15
                              Could the 351W be made to appear stock? What if you made the changes that 1987cp suggested and then paint the BHP heads to whatever gray (or whatever) color that Ford made the engines. If ya just want a stock engine then I would keep the EFI and go HO, but with todays aftermarket, a 351W can surely be made to run well and look stock.



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