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    #1

    Oil pump shaft in pan!!!!

    I expected to have the new heads on by tonight.

    The stinkin' pump shaft fell into the pan, it's between the pump & the side of the pan.

    I can grab it w/a magnet, but it gets wedged in & I can't get it out.

    Now I'm going to have to pull the entire engine anyway........AARRRGGGHHHHH!!!!!



    87 Ford LTD Crown Victoria Country Squire Station Wagon. 4.10's, Repacked Trac Loc, Boxed LCA's, Explorer Intake, 65mm T-body, 'Stang Cam, 'Stang Air tube, K&N, GT-40X Heads, 1" Spacer, 1 5/8 BBK's, 2.5" Pypes X-pipe w/high flow cats, Single Chamber Thunderbolts, B&M 'vertor, Po-lice Swaybars.

    91 Mercury Grand Marquis Colony Park Station Wagon. K-Code, 4.10's, Repacked Trac Loc, MK VII LSC Engine, 'Stang Upper Intake, Stang Air Tube, K&N, 65 mm T-Body, 'Stang Headers, 'Stang Cat Pipe,'Stang Torque Convertor, 2 Chamber Thunderbolts.
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    #2
    you dont have to pull the engine, but it might be a good idea, then you can replace the rear main seal and the oil pump and the shaft and the oil pan gasket.......check the bearings while you are in there too and replace the motor mounts too

    1986 lincoln towncar signature series. 5.0 HO with thumper performance ported e7 heads, 1.7 roller rockers, warm air intake, 65mm throttle body, 1/2" intake spacer, ported intakes, 3.73 rear with trac lock, 98-02 front brake conversion, 92-97 rear disc conversion, 1" rear swaybar, 1 3/16" front swaybar, 16" wheels and tires, loud ass stereo system, badass cb, best time to date 15.94 at 87 mph. lots of mods in the works 221.8 rwhp 278 rwt
    2006 Lincoln Town Car Signature. Stock for now
    1989 Ford F-250 4x4 much much more to come, sefi converted so far.
    1986 Toyota pickup with LSC wheels and 225/60/16 tires.
    2008 Hyundai Elantra future Revcon toad
    1987 TriBurner and 1986 Alaska stokers keeping me warm. (and some pesky oil heat)

    please be patient, rebuilding an empire!

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      #3
      lincolnmania you said "you dont have to pull the engine"

      I don't see how I can leave it in... @ one point it was jamming the crank, I could only turn it part way over....

      I've never had to contend w/this before, do you know some other way to get it out?

      Thanks



      87 Ford LTD Crown Victoria Country Squire Station Wagon. 4.10's, Repacked Trac Loc, Boxed LCA's, Explorer Intake, 65mm T-body, 'Stang Cam, 'Stang Air tube, K&N, GT-40X Heads, 1" Spacer, 1 5/8 BBK's, 2.5" Pypes X-pipe w/high flow cats, Single Chamber Thunderbolts, B&M 'vertor, Po-lice Swaybars.

      91 Mercury Grand Marquis Colony Park Station Wagon. K-Code, 4.10's, Repacked Trac Loc, MK VII LSC Engine, 'Stang Upper Intake, Stang Air Tube, K&N, 65 mm T-Body, 'Stang Headers, 'Stang Cat Pipe,'Stang Torque Convertor, 2 Chamber Thunderbolts.

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        #4
        undo the motor mounts, jack up the shortblock, unbolt the oil pan, remove the oil pump and pickup.....and dig the oil pump shaft out.....i suggest you get a new oil pump and shaft....oh and find the clip that used to be on the oil pump shaft.....the clip came off and that's how you lost the shaft.....it's happened to me a few times.

        1986 lincoln towncar signature series. 5.0 HO with thumper performance ported e7 heads, 1.7 roller rockers, warm air intake, 65mm throttle body, 1/2" intake spacer, ported intakes, 3.73 rear with trac lock, 98-02 front brake conversion, 92-97 rear disc conversion, 1" rear swaybar, 1 3/16" front swaybar, 16" wheels and tires, loud ass stereo system, badass cb, best time to date 15.94 at 87 mph. lots of mods in the works 221.8 rwhp 278 rwt
        2006 Lincoln Town Car Signature. Stock for now
        1989 Ford F-250 4x4 much much more to come, sefi converted so far.
        1986 Toyota pickup with LSC wheels and 225/60/16 tires.
        2008 Hyundai Elantra future Revcon toad
        1987 TriBurner and 1986 Alaska stokers keeping me warm. (and some pesky oil heat)

        please be patient, rebuilding an empire!

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          #5
          Gotcha,

          Thanks



          87 Ford LTD Crown Victoria Country Squire Station Wagon. 4.10's, Repacked Trac Loc, Boxed LCA's, Explorer Intake, 65mm T-body, 'Stang Cam, 'Stang Air tube, K&N, GT-40X Heads, 1" Spacer, 1 5/8 BBK's, 2.5" Pypes X-pipe w/high flow cats, Single Chamber Thunderbolts, B&M 'vertor, Po-lice Swaybars.

          91 Mercury Grand Marquis Colony Park Station Wagon. K-Code, 4.10's, Repacked Trac Loc, MK VII LSC Engine, 'Stang Upper Intake, Stang Air Tube, K&N, 65 mm T-Body, 'Stang Headers, 'Stang Cat Pipe,'Stang Torque Convertor, 2 Chamber Thunderbolts.

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            #6
            The clip could still be on the shaft, but slid down. If its worn out, it won't keep the driveshaft in place. While its apart, its a good idea to replace the shaft and pump anyway. Stick a new one-piece oil pan gasket in there too. Honestly though, if you have it torn down to the point where you've got no heads on it, its very little more work to pull the motor totally. Yanking the motor completely lets you really de-goop the engine bay, and clean the motor up. New pan gasket, seals, timing chain, etc while its out are a good idea too. Might as well not mess with it twice.
            86 Lincoln Town Car (Galactica).
            5.0 HO, CompCams XE258,Scorpion 1.72 roller rockers, 3.55 K code rear, tow package, BHPerformance ported E7 heads, Tmoss Explorer intake, 65mm throttle body, Hedman 1 5/8" headers, 2.5" dual exhaust, ASP underdrive pulley

            91 Lincoln Mark VII LSC grandpa spec white and cranberry

            1984 Lincoln Continental TurboDiesel - rolls coal

            Originally posted by phayzer5
            I drive a Lincoln. I can't be bothered to shift like the peasants and rabble rousers

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              #7
              I would try to find some creative ways to get the shaft out with out pulling the motor. its a PITA, but it can be done.... how about long needle nose pliers or one of those retrival tools that has 4 fingers, flexible shaft and you push the top to operate the fingers and grab stuff.

              on the other hand... if you do what Scott suggested, with the heads and intake off, you should have plenty of room to jack the motor up and drop, if not remove the oil pan.
              If you go that route, I would replace the oil pump, pick up screen and pump drive shaft.
              And make sure you use a Fel-pro one piece oil pan gasket.
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                #8
                If you can still see the shaft in the hole, I would try to get it out before you go and mess with the engine. But you don't have to pull the motor, I had the same damn thing happen to me, don't crank the engine!! You'll get it caught in between the crank and block!!!!! Linky to procedure http://www.grandmarq.net/vb/showpost...44&postcount=7 To get the pan completely out, you might need to crank the engine. If the shaft is wedged between the crank and block, crank the engine a little bit to free it up, chances are it's already bent though, so you'll need a new one. Since the top of the motor is not there, you'll have plenty of room to do this, I mean, I had the lower intake and heads on still when I did mine.

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                  #9
                  Been there, done that, it sucks. I just unbolted the mounts lifted the motor part of the way up and lowered the oil pan. At that point I just shoved my skinny arms in there and grabbed it.
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                    #10
                    i am now an owner of a tudor 1987 CV - GrandMarq.NET - Panther Headquarters
                    http://www.grandmarq.net/vb/showthread.php?t=12094&page=2
                    The spot for 2-dr. panther owners to go and bitch about 2dr. specific things...


                    go to response 34-38 and look at pictures... i removed pan and stuff while engine was in car still just lifted with engine picker. gonna just do an engine swap so werk on my ar is on hold for right now. you can see what happened to my oil pump shaft and reason why i lost all oil pressure...
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                      #11
                      WOW,
                      That's the first time I ever saw a steel pretzel!!!!
                      I finally got it out this morning, I could just barely get to the clip, I bent it over, dropped the shaft back in & fished till the bent side was against the pan & yanked it out w, a BIG pair of pliers.

                      Thanks for all the input.



                      87 Ford LTD Crown Victoria Country Squire Station Wagon. 4.10's, Repacked Trac Loc, Boxed LCA's, Explorer Intake, 65mm T-body, 'Stang Cam, 'Stang Air tube, K&N, GT-40X Heads, 1" Spacer, 1 5/8 BBK's, 2.5" Pypes X-pipe w/high flow cats, Single Chamber Thunderbolts, B&M 'vertor, Po-lice Swaybars.

                      91 Mercury Grand Marquis Colony Park Station Wagon. K-Code, 4.10's, Repacked Trac Loc, MK VII LSC Engine, 'Stang Upper Intake, Stang Air Tube, K&N, 65 mm T-Body, 'Stang Headers, 'Stang Cat Pipe,'Stang Torque Convertor, 2 Chamber Thunderbolts.

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                        #12
                        If the rod pretzeled, the pump jammed up somehow. Replace the pump or the new shaft will be a pretzel too.
                        86 Lincoln Town Car (Galactica).
                        5.0 HO, CompCams XE258,Scorpion 1.72 roller rockers, 3.55 K code rear, tow package, BHPerformance ported E7 heads, Tmoss Explorer intake, 65mm throttle body, Hedman 1 5/8" headers, 2.5" dual exhaust, ASP underdrive pulley

                        91 Lincoln Mark VII LSC grandpa spec white and cranberry

                        1984 Lincoln Continental TurboDiesel - rolls coal

                        Originally posted by phayzer5
                        I drive a Lincoln. I can't be bothered to shift like the peasants and rabble rousers

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                          #13
                          Pics? It was wedged between the crank and block at one time right? Which would explain it being like that, if not, you have some pump problems and you might as well replace the pump too.

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                            #14
                            "That's the first time I ever saw a steel pretzel!!!!" was in reference to the link posted by 87_crown_vic

                            "Replace the pump or the new shaft will be a pretzel too."
                            "you might as well replace the pump too."

                            It was wedged between the oil pump & pan, The engine was running fine, the pump was replaced by the previous owner in the recent past.....



                            87 Ford LTD Crown Victoria Country Squire Station Wagon. 4.10's, Repacked Trac Loc, Boxed LCA's, Explorer Intake, 65mm T-body, 'Stang Cam, 'Stang Air tube, K&N, GT-40X Heads, 1" Spacer, 1 5/8 BBK's, 2.5" Pypes X-pipe w/high flow cats, Single Chamber Thunderbolts, B&M 'vertor, Po-lice Swaybars.

                            91 Mercury Grand Marquis Colony Park Station Wagon. K-Code, 4.10's, Repacked Trac Loc, MK VII LSC Engine, 'Stang Upper Intake, Stang Air Tube, K&N, 65 mm T-Body, 'Stang Headers, 'Stang Cat Pipe,'Stang Torque Convertor, 2 Chamber Thunderbolts.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by mitymerc View Post
                              "That's the first time I ever saw a steel pretzel!!!!" was in reference to the link posted by 87_crown_vic

                              "Replace the pump or the new shaft will be a pretzel too."
                              "you might as well replace the pump too."

                              It was wedged between the oil pump & pan, The engine was running fine, the pump was replaced by the previous owner in the recent past.....
                              Ah I see, you got lucky, at least you didn't have to pull the pan. Let us know when you get everything back together.

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