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    Top end Swap: Maf, Fuel pump & inj Q's...

    I'm about to embark on a top end swap on my '87 Country Squire.

    Gt-40X heads, Explorer intake, 65mm T-body, Stock '87 H.O. cam & full dual Exhaust.

    Do you guys think I will need to go Maf?

    How about inj's, will 19's be able to hang w/a bigger pump & adj reg?

    or will I need 24's?

    Thanks in advance.....



    87 Ford LTD Crown Victoria Country Squire Station Wagon. 4.10's, Repacked Trac Loc, Boxed LCA's, Explorer Intake, 65mm T-body, 'Stang Cam, 'Stang Air tube, K&N, GT-40X Heads, 1" Spacer, 1 5/8 BBK's, 2.5" Pypes X-pipe w/high flow cats, Single Chamber Thunderbolts, B&M 'vertor, Po-lice Swaybars.

    91 Mercury Grand Marquis Colony Park Station Wagon. K-Code, 4.10's, Repacked Trac Loc, MK VII LSC Engine, 'Stang Upper Intake, Stang Air Tube, K&N, 65 mm T-Body, 'Stang Headers, 'Stang Cat Pipe,'Stang Torque Convertor, 2 Chamber Thunderbolts.
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    #2
    19s should be fine, mang.

    Should be a good runner!
    1983 Grand Marquis 2Dr Sedan "Mercules"
    Tremec TKO conversion, hydraulic clutch, HURST equipped!

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      #3
      With a stock HO cam you should be fine with 19# injectors. Those heads, hmm. It'll probably run OK with speed-density but if you have issues with it pinging, it may be going lean. If it does, swapping to mass air will probably correct that. Just be careful about upgrading the fuel pump too much, the fuel lines are only 5/16". You can probably get away with a 255 lph or so, but if you go with a monster pump its possible that you'll be trying to push more fuel through than the return line can deal with. The small line will also make the pump work harder and produce more heat. If you go with something around a 155 lph, it'll handle it fine.
      86 Lincoln Town Car (Galactica).
      5.0 HO, CompCams XE258,Scorpion 1.72 roller rockers, 3.55 K code rear, tow package, BHPerformance ported E7 heads, Tmoss Explorer intake, 65mm throttle body, Hedman 1 5/8" headers, 2.5" dual exhaust, ASP underdrive pulley

      91 Lincoln Mark VII LSC grandpa spec white and cranberry

      1984 Lincoln Continental TurboDiesel - rolls coal

      Originally posted by phayzer5
      I drive a Lincoln. I can't be bothered to shift like the peasants and rabble rousers

      Everything looks like voodoo if you don't understand how it works

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        #4
        those heads wont help a heavy car off the line........valves are large.....save a couple hundred and get a set of thumper performance ported e7's www.thumperoforangepark.com

        1986 lincoln towncar signature series. 5.0 HO with thumper performance ported e7 heads, 1.7 roller rockers, warm air intake, 65mm throttle body, 1/2" intake spacer, ported intakes, 3.73 rear with trac lock, 98-02 front brake conversion, 92-97 rear disc conversion, 1" rear swaybar, 1 3/16" front swaybar, 16" wheels and tires, loud ass stereo system, badass cb, best time to date 15.94 at 87 mph. lots of mods in the works 221.8 rwhp 278 rwt
        2006 Lincoln Town Car Signature. Stock for now
        1989 Ford F-250 4x4 much much more to come, sefi converted so far.
        1986 Toyota pickup with LSC wheels and 225/60/16 tires.
        2008 Hyundai Elantra future Revcon toad
        1987 TriBurner and 1986 Alaska stokers keeping me warm. (and some pesky oil heat)

        please be patient, rebuilding an empire!

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          #5
          Thanks for all the input....

          As far as the heads go, they are leftovers from a head upgrade on the race car... valves are 1.94/1.54, not overly large? I also have a trac-loc & set of 4.10's waiting to go in (They should help to get it moving)....

          It's not going to be a race car, just a fun to drive car to haul the family around in....

          It baselined 11.60 In the 1/8 (self shifting in OD). We won a few rounds & a trophy LOL...

          http://news.webshots.com/photo/2455433770103170764xADteB



          87 Ford LTD Crown Victoria Country Squire Station Wagon. 4.10's, Repacked Trac Loc, Boxed LCA's, Explorer Intake, 65mm T-body, 'Stang Cam, 'Stang Air tube, K&N, GT-40X Heads, 1" Spacer, 1 5/8 BBK's, 2.5" Pypes X-pipe w/high flow cats, Single Chamber Thunderbolts, B&M 'vertor, Po-lice Swaybars.

          91 Mercury Grand Marquis Colony Park Station Wagon. K-Code, 4.10's, Repacked Trac Loc, MK VII LSC Engine, 'Stang Upper Intake, Stang Air Tube, K&N, 65 mm T-Body, 'Stang Headers, 'Stang Cat Pipe,'Stang Torque Convertor, 2 Chamber Thunderbolts.

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            #6
            ah freebie value disregard hehe

            1986 lincoln towncar signature series. 5.0 HO with thumper performance ported e7 heads, 1.7 roller rockers, warm air intake, 65mm throttle body, 1/2" intake spacer, ported intakes, 3.73 rear with trac lock, 98-02 front brake conversion, 92-97 rear disc conversion, 1" rear swaybar, 1 3/16" front swaybar, 16" wheels and tires, loud ass stereo system, badass cb, best time to date 15.94 at 87 mph. lots of mods in the works 221.8 rwhp 278 rwt
            2006 Lincoln Town Car Signature. Stock for now
            1989 Ford F-250 4x4 much much more to come, sefi converted so far.
            1986 Toyota pickup with LSC wheels and 225/60/16 tires.
            2008 Hyundai Elantra future Revcon toad
            1987 TriBurner and 1986 Alaska stokers keeping me warm. (and some pesky oil heat)

            please be patient, rebuilding an empire!

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              #7
              lincolnmania, what track is that pic from?



              87 Ford LTD Crown Victoria Country Squire Station Wagon. 4.10's, Repacked Trac Loc, Boxed LCA's, Explorer Intake, 65mm T-body, 'Stang Cam, 'Stang Air tube, K&N, GT-40X Heads, 1" Spacer, 1 5/8 BBK's, 2.5" Pypes X-pipe w/high flow cats, Single Chamber Thunderbolts, B&M 'vertor, Po-lice Swaybars.

              91 Mercury Grand Marquis Colony Park Station Wagon. K-Code, 4.10's, Repacked Trac Loc, MK VII LSC Engine, 'Stang Upper Intake, Stang Air Tube, K&N, 65 mm T-Body, 'Stang Headers, 'Stang Cat Pipe,'Stang Torque Convertor, 2 Chamber Thunderbolts.

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                #8
                numidia dragway in numidia pa

                1986 lincoln towncar signature series. 5.0 HO with thumper performance ported e7 heads, 1.7 roller rockers, warm air intake, 65mm throttle body, 1/2" intake spacer, ported intakes, 3.73 rear with trac lock, 98-02 front brake conversion, 92-97 rear disc conversion, 1" rear swaybar, 1 3/16" front swaybar, 16" wheels and tires, loud ass stereo system, badass cb, best time to date 15.94 at 87 mph. lots of mods in the works 221.8 rwhp 278 rwt
                2006 Lincoln Town Car Signature. Stock for now
                1989 Ford F-250 4x4 much much more to come, sefi converted so far.
                1986 Toyota pickup with LSC wheels and 225/60/16 tires.
                2008 Hyundai Elantra future Revcon toad
                1987 TriBurner and 1986 Alaska stokers keeping me warm. (and some pesky oil heat)

                please be patient, rebuilding an empire!

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                  #9
                  What I've heard...

                  So I am in the process of doing a similar set up. The 19lb injectors are all I am going with. They are good to support 300hp. Any of the guys that decide they gotta go 24lb on Fords have crappy fuel economy ang rich burn issues unless they are balls out running.

                  Why the Ford cam though? I am looking for a grind, but don't know what to pick. I want to keep the roller cam for sure, but I want to get better crusing torque. Any suggestions?

                  I scored a 93 Thunderbird from some skill center kids. Complete engine and harness. They lost the ecm and kept the 5.0 badge off the top, but a good deal for $200 with the trans included.

                  Tell me what not to do. ;-)

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                    #10
                    Fuel pump

                    BTW... I have heard that the fuel pump in the panther is the same as what is in the trucks with FI. If if fed 460's I bet it'll do for about any 302, but the part numbers aren't the same on the autozone. Anyone shine light on that for me?

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by FarmerBen View Post
                      BTW... I have heard that the fuel pump in the panther is the same as what is in the trucks with FI. If if fed 460's I bet it'll do for about any 302, but the part numbers aren't the same on the autozone. Anyone shine light on that for me?
                      If that is the case, It would save me from buying a new Fuel pump, does anyone know?



                      87 Ford LTD Crown Victoria Country Squire Station Wagon. 4.10's, Repacked Trac Loc, Boxed LCA's, Explorer Intake, 65mm T-body, 'Stang Cam, 'Stang Air tube, K&N, GT-40X Heads, 1" Spacer, 1 5/8 BBK's, 2.5" Pypes X-pipe w/high flow cats, Single Chamber Thunderbolts, B&M 'vertor, Po-lice Swaybars.

                      91 Mercury Grand Marquis Colony Park Station Wagon. K-Code, 4.10's, Repacked Trac Loc, MK VII LSC Engine, 'Stang Upper Intake, Stang Air Tube, K&N, 65 mm T-Body, 'Stang Headers, 'Stang Cat Pipe,'Stang Torque Convertor, 2 Chamber Thunderbolts.

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                        #12
                        'Cause I have one LOL. It's an H.O. from an '88 stang, I also have a set if cobra rockers for it....



                        87 Ford LTD Crown Victoria Country Squire Station Wagon. 4.10's, Repacked Trac Loc, Boxed LCA's, Explorer Intake, 65mm T-body, 'Stang Cam, 'Stang Air tube, K&N, GT-40X Heads, 1" Spacer, 1 5/8 BBK's, 2.5" Pypes X-pipe w/high flow cats, Single Chamber Thunderbolts, B&M 'vertor, Po-lice Swaybars.

                        91 Mercury Grand Marquis Colony Park Station Wagon. K-Code, 4.10's, Repacked Trac Loc, MK VII LSC Engine, 'Stang Upper Intake, Stang Air Tube, K&N, 65 mm T-Body, 'Stang Headers, 'Stang Cat Pipe,'Stang Torque Convertor, 2 Chamber Thunderbolts.

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                          #13
                          Don't be cheap. Buy a new pump.
                          Do you already have a HO SD ECM?
                          Last edited by Mercracer; 06-15-2008, 09:56 AM.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by FarmerBen View Post
                            Why the Ford cam though? I am looking for a grind, but don't know what to pick. I want to keep the roller cam for sure, but I want to get better crusing torque. Any suggestions?
                            From what these guys all say the Explorer cam is good for low end torque, works better then the HO cam in a heavy car like a Panther.
                            88 Town Car (wrecked, for sale)
                            Walker OEM duals with muffler deletes

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Mercracer View Post
                              Don't be cheap. Buy a new pump.
                              Do you already have a HO SD ECM?

                              Quote:
                              Originally Posted by FarmerBen View Post
                              BTW... I have heard that the fuel pump in the panther is the same as what is in the trucks with FI. If if fed 460's I bet it'll do for about any 302, but the part numbers aren't the same on the autozone. Anyone shine light on that for me?
                              If that is the case, It would save me from buying a new Fuel pump, does anyone know?

                              The saving me from buying a fuel pump comment was about the 460 Question, if that is true, then I don't need to replace it...

                              The comment about "Because I aready have one ....." was about the cam, & I don't want to deviate from the stock H.O. one because I want to stay SD....

                              Quote:
                              Originally Posted by FarmerBen
                              Why the Ford cam though? I am looking for a grind, but don't know what to pick. I want to keep the roller cam for sure, but I want to get better crusing torque. Any suggestions?

                              No, I haven't scavenged an ecm yet. On my Grand Marq Wagon, I used a MANUAL trans ECM & have an idle prob...



                              87 Ford LTD Crown Victoria Country Squire Station Wagon. 4.10's, Repacked Trac Loc, Boxed LCA's, Explorer Intake, 65mm T-body, 'Stang Cam, 'Stang Air tube, K&N, GT-40X Heads, 1" Spacer, 1 5/8 BBK's, 2.5" Pypes X-pipe w/high flow cats, Single Chamber Thunderbolts, B&M 'vertor, Po-lice Swaybars.

                              91 Mercury Grand Marquis Colony Park Station Wagon. K-Code, 4.10's, Repacked Trac Loc, MK VII LSC Engine, 'Stang Upper Intake, Stang Air Tube, K&N, 65 mm T-Body, 'Stang Headers, 'Stang Cat Pipe,'Stang Torque Convertor, 2 Chamber Thunderbolts.

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