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    top end rattle at 3.5K

    Whenever I get on the gas at like 3500rpm there comes a rattling sound from*I think* the drivers side row of rockers. I have not yet installed my 1.7 roller rockers so that might fix whatever it is, just wondering what it could be so I can fix it while I'm in there.
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    #2
    have you checked the engine oil level lately?
    the noise could be any number of things... pull the valve cover and inspect everything.

    Justin had a rocker arm break on him one time.
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      #3
      Timing? Oil level, oil pressure, valve cover interference...
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        #4
        Stock engine? Probably a valve floating issue :-P
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          #5
          Could even be bearing noise. Not unheard of.
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            #6
            I personally think that a bunch of f***ing squirrels have stored 4 lbs. of small rocks and gravel in the valve covers. Happens here in Oregon all of the time.

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              #7
              Dude you in OREGON! Im in estacada!
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                #8
                I have noticed what seems to be a bottom end rattle at startup on cold mornings, but it goes away when she warms up, but this is definately coming from the top end of the motor
                1989 Lincoln Town Car - "Anabelle" - Original block, .030 over with SpeedPro pistons, rods fitted with ARP hardware, FRPP +volume oil pump, GT-40 3bar heads, Crane 1.72 rockers, 89' Fox cam, 93' Cobra lower intake, Explorer upper and 65mm TB, 93' Lightning EGR spacer, K&N intake kit from a 4.0L Ranger, 19lb/hr injectors w/ 87 Mark VII ECM, cat/smog deletes, Big Brake conversion, 3.55 K-Code Trac-Lok/Disc brake rear axle, CVPI LCA's w/1" sway bar in rear, wagon front sway bar, BBK 2.5" off-road H-Pipe, Flowmaster super 40s, HPP wheels, 3G alternator w/LMR.com wiring kit, gear reduction starter conversion, Best 1/4 time: 16.0 @ 85mph.

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                  #9
                  My 90's engine sounded like a can of marbles was being shaken under the hood once it warmed up. I was thinkin it was a dead lifter, but could only hear the noise through the stethescope when i stuck it under the back of the upper intake on the right hand side and got the tip of it on the intake manifold. You can use a broomstick to the same effect. start up your motor, have someone hold the rpm at the desired level, and go along the valve covers and see if the noise increases in any one spot along the entire length of the cover. You could also check your oil pressure with a gauge, but you gotta pull out your oil pressure switch and install the gauge. If oil pressure is low, could be the cause of your rattle. Could be many many things.
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                    #10
                    Actually, I know what it is.

                    Piston slap. These cast-piston engines are notorious for it. It won't go away, unless you put new pistons in it. That, or the squirrels have put the black mark 7 on your engine.

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                      #11
                      piston slap? what is that? I think it is a rocker arm that is not torqued down enough, and its hitting the valve cover.
                      1989 Lincoln Town Car - "Anabelle" - Original block, .030 over with SpeedPro pistons, rods fitted with ARP hardware, FRPP +volume oil pump, GT-40 3bar heads, Crane 1.72 rockers, 89' Fox cam, 93' Cobra lower intake, Explorer upper and 65mm TB, 93' Lightning EGR spacer, K&N intake kit from a 4.0L Ranger, 19lb/hr injectors w/ 87 Mark VII ECM, cat/smog deletes, Big Brake conversion, 3.55 K-Code Trac-Lok/Disc brake rear axle, CVPI LCA's w/1" sway bar in rear, wagon front sway bar, BBK 2.5" off-road H-Pipe, Flowmaster super 40s, HPP wheels, 3G alternator w/LMR.com wiring kit, gear reduction starter conversion, Best 1/4 time: 16.0 @ 85mph.

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                        #12
                        basically its the pistons flopping in the bores. The skirt smacks the cylinder bore and makes a noise. Usually it gets quieter when the motor warms up because the pistons expand a bit.
                        86 Lincoln Town Car (Galactica).
                        5.0 HO, CompCams XE258,Scorpion 1.72 roller rockers, 3.55 K code rear, tow package, BHPerformance ported E7 heads, Tmoss Explorer intake, 65mm throttle body, Hedman 1 5/8" headers, 2.5" dual exhaust, ASP underdrive pulley

                        91 Lincoln Mark VII LSC grandpa spec white and cranberry

                        1984 Lincoln Continental TurboDiesel - rolls coal

                        Originally posted by phayzer5
                        I drive a Lincoln. I can't be bothered to shift like the peasants and rabble rousers

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by 89LincolnTWNcar View Post
                          piston slap? what is that? I think it is a rocker arm that is not torqued down enough, and its hitting the valve cover.
                          Pull it apart, and let us knoww your findings.

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                            #14
                            well, I pulled off the valve cover and everything looked fine, I checked the torques on the rocker arm bolts and they were all to spec. I went ahead and installed the 1.7 RR on the drivers side. I have some questions about the explorer lower intake, as there is no hole for a sensor that is present on the towncar lower. Ill post pics later.
                            1989 Lincoln Town Car - "Anabelle" - Original block, .030 over with SpeedPro pistons, rods fitted with ARP hardware, FRPP +volume oil pump, GT-40 3bar heads, Crane 1.72 rockers, 89' Fox cam, 93' Cobra lower intake, Explorer upper and 65mm TB, 93' Lightning EGR spacer, K&N intake kit from a 4.0L Ranger, 19lb/hr injectors w/ 87 Mark VII ECM, cat/smog deletes, Big Brake conversion, 3.55 K-Code Trac-Lok/Disc brake rear axle, CVPI LCA's w/1" sway bar in rear, wagon front sway bar, BBK 2.5" off-road H-Pipe, Flowmaster super 40s, HPP wheels, 3G alternator w/LMR.com wiring kit, gear reduction starter conversion, Best 1/4 time: 16.0 @ 85mph.

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                              #15
                              ACT, air charge temperature sensor. Extend the wires and stick it in the airbox. Problem solved.
                              86 Lincoln Town Car (Galactica).
                              5.0 HO, CompCams XE258,Scorpion 1.72 roller rockers, 3.55 K code rear, tow package, BHPerformance ported E7 heads, Tmoss Explorer intake, 65mm throttle body, Hedman 1 5/8" headers, 2.5" dual exhaust, ASP underdrive pulley

                              91 Lincoln Mark VII LSC grandpa spec white and cranberry

                              1984 Lincoln Continental TurboDiesel - rolls coal

                              Originally posted by phayzer5
                              I drive a Lincoln. I can't be bothered to shift like the peasants and rabble rousers

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