A guy at work has an '84 crown vic wagon that i am inerested in getting. pretty rough shape but probably can get it for cheap. The problem is he says he had gotten a new starter for it and when you try to start it there is just a grinding noise. He had the starter tested and it was fine(well it turned i guess). Any ideas of what the problem could be? If it is something simple enough i will probably buy it but if it needs any major work i probably wont bother.
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1984 Grand Marquis GS - CFI-SEFI conversion, Explorer 302, GT40 intakes, GT40P heads, 1.7 roller rockers, HO Cam, ASP Underdrive Pulley, 2.5" Dual exhaust, Flowmaster Delta 50 mufflers, 3.55 Trac-Lock, Rear disk's, Moog cargo coils, ES rear poly bushings, PI front and rear sway bars, 3G alt., Mark VIII fan, custom Auto-meter dash
1990 Crown Victoria Country Squire - Explorer 302, HO cam, dual exhaust, 3.55 Trac-Lock, PI rear sway bar (SOLD)
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Might be the ring gear is shot. Might also be a defective starter, the bendix might not be flying out enough to engage the flexplate. Usually the test for if its a bad flex plate, get a breaker bar to rotate the engine over some, then try starting it. if it works normally, there is a bad spot on the flexplate.86 Lincoln Town Car (Galactica).
5.0 HO, CompCams XE258,Scorpion 1.72 roller rockers, 3.55 K code rear, tow package, BHPerformance ported E7 heads, Tmoss Explorer intake, 65mm throttle body, Hedman 1 5/8" headers, 2.5" dual exhaust, ASP underdrive pulley
91 Lincoln Mark VII LSC grandpa spec white and cranberry
1984 Lincoln Continental TurboDiesel - rolls coal
Originally posted by phayzer5
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Can you get it to start? Is it just a fast click? Check the battery.
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Well i havn't been around the car when he tried to start it. But he says its a grinding not a clicking. Rotating the engine to try a different spot on the flywheel is a good idea. Bryans 550 ranger suggested the starter needed to be reshimmed. I am going to try and check out the car sometime in the next week, and test some things.
1984 Grand Marquis GS - CFI-SEFI conversion, Explorer 302, GT40 intakes, GT40P heads, 1.7 roller rockers, HO Cam, ASP Underdrive Pulley, 2.5" Dual exhaust, Flowmaster Delta 50 mufflers, 3.55 Trac-Lock, Rear disk's, Moog cargo coils, ES rear poly bushings, PI front and rear sway bars, 3G alt., Mark VIII fan, custom Auto-meter dash
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There are two starters for the 302, one for the AOD and t-5 and then one for older 3 and 4 speed manuals. It is possible that he got an old starter with the different offset.http://secondhandracing.com/Home.aspx
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Shim a ford starter?Builder/Owner of Badass Panther Wagons
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thats what i was thinking. Ive never heard of that. a Ford starter bolts to the bellhousing of the transmission, so its location is always the same in relation to the centerline of the drive axis. In a Chevy the starter bolts to the block, in that case it can become misaligned due to manufacturing tolerances along with removal and reinstallation of motor/trans/starter.Originally posted by mrltdhttp://secondhandracing.com/Home.aspx
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you donr shim ford starters....
Im betting the ring gear teeth are chewed up. Happened to my 77, had to pull the tranny.Pete ::::>>> resident LED addict and CFI defector LED bulb replacements
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Does the ring gear go around the flywheel? I'm just not to familiar with this so i have no clue. If the ring gear is the problem is there an easy way to tell like rotating the engone a little and trying to start it then?
1984 Grand Marquis GS - CFI-SEFI conversion, Explorer 302, GT40 intakes, GT40P heads, 1.7 roller rockers, HO Cam, ASP Underdrive Pulley, 2.5" Dual exhaust, Flowmaster Delta 50 mufflers, 3.55 Trac-Lock, Rear disk's, Moog cargo coils, ES rear poly bushings, PI front and rear sway bars, 3G alt., Mark VIII fan, custom Auto-meter dash
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yeah its the teeth on the wheel. there is actully an inspection plate at the bottom of the bellhouseing you can remove to expose the bottom of the plate/ring gear. if Im wrong about that that you can remove the starter also and have a look. rotate the wheel by turning the crank bolt to check out all the teethPete ::::>>> resident LED addict and CFI defector LED bulb replacements
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easiest way is to pull the inspection cover, it is just two bolts.Originally posted by 85crownHPP*http://secondhandracing.com/Home.aspx
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