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    #16
    i know the 351c was used late 69-74.........351m 75-81, and 400 71-81

    1986 lincoln towncar signature series. 5.0 HO with thumper performance ported e7 heads, 1.7 roller rockers, warm air intake, 65mm throttle body, 1/2" intake spacer, ported intakes, 3.73 rear with trac lock, 98-02 front brake conversion, 92-97 rear disc conversion, 1" rear swaybar, 1 3/16" front swaybar, 16" wheels and tires, loud ass stereo system, badass cb, best time to date 15.94 at 87 mph. lots of mods in the works 221.8 rwhp 278 rwt
    2006 Lincoln Town Car Signature. Stock for now
    1989 Ford F-250 4x4 much much more to come, sefi converted so far.
    1986 Toyota pickup with LSC wheels and 225/60/16 tires.
    2008 Hyundai Elantra future Revcon toad
    1987 TriBurner and 1986 Alaska stokers keeping me warm. (and some pesky oil heat)

    please be patient, rebuilding an empire!

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      #17
      If it IS a C, and you want EFI, this can be FUN!

      You'll want a single plane intake for it, get injector bungs welded in the runners so you can run EFI rails on it, then pick up an elbow from CHP to mount where the carb would go. From there, you run a standard Mustang-style throttle body.

      You might have to do something funky with the distributor.........

      Convert the bad boy to roller with crane link-bar lifters, and run a custom cam Yowzah! It'd be quite the weapon!
      1989 Town Car Cartier: 3G Alt. Upgrade, Mark VIII Electric Fan, Police Interceptor Suspension, 40-series Flows, loaded. HO+ Conversion: E7 heads, Cobra 1.7RR's, Explorer intake, 65mm TB, FMS "E" Camshaft, 4-hole 19lb/hr injectors, A9P ECM, 76mm C&L MAF, BBK CAI. 338,000Km, stock bottom-end.

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        #18
        Originally posted by lincolnmania
        i know the 351c was used late 69-74.........
        It can be confusing enough for a Cleveland newbie..... suffice to say '70 model year through 74 model year. Late 69 was the casting date, not the model year of usage.

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          #19
          Originally posted by Roach III
          Well, I'll check next time I get down there in the light. If it's 351M/400, I'm not going to mess with it. A 10.3" deck height is way too much motor for Fire And Ice.
          Personally, I think a carbed 400M swap would be a better idea than a 351C. With head work and a cam, a 400 can be a real screamer, and have stump-pulling low end torque. Just ask MRLTD about the 400 in his Bronco.
          Nick
          88 Colony Park LS
          G-pa's old car, but he's cruisin around heaven in his 69 wagon now
          Future plans:Semi HO conversion, or Explorer motor swap, shift kit, PI springs and sway bars, KYB-GR2 shocks

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            #20
            It would be cool to pull stumps out with the TC!
            Project \"Fire and Ice\":

            1989 LTC

            My worst enemies are those who presume me to be harmless. They cannot imagine how much I resent and disdain them, or just how great a threat they would face if I could get at them. Everything in their behavior speaks of insult and presumptuousness, and for now it is all I can do to make constructive use of my anger toward them. At this time, I just make a list of them and keep a watch on. Some day, with the help of time, space, and circumstance, I will be able to humiliate them properly - not in a manner they would enjoy, but in a style calculated to make them wish that they had never been born.



            Anton Szandor LaVey

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              #21
              As the owner of both a basicly stock 460 in a dually and a 375 horse 400 in a 4x4 if I had to purchase an engine for the 4x4 I would go 460.
              Scars are tatoos of the fearless

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                #22
                Originally posted by turbo2256b
                As the owner of both a basicly stock 460 in a dually and a 375 horse 400 in a 4x4 if I had to purchase an engine for the 4x4 I would go 460.
                hells yea...
                YouTube. FaceBook Crown Vic Group

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by turbo2256b
                  As the owner of both a basicly stock 460 in a dually and a 375 horse 400 in a 4x4 if I had to purchase an engine for the 4x4 I would go 460.
                  Damn straight!
                  1989 Town Car Cartier: 3G Alt. Upgrade, Mark VIII Electric Fan, Police Interceptor Suspension, 40-series Flows, loaded. HO+ Conversion: E7 heads, Cobra 1.7RR's, Explorer intake, 65mm TB, FMS "E" Camshaft, 4-hole 19lb/hr injectors, A9P ECM, 76mm C&L MAF, BBK CAI. 338,000Km, stock bottom-end.

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                    #24
                    Are the deck heights actually different between a 351M and a 351C ? I know the heads and cam interchange, but I know little about these motors. I seem to recall reading that the intakes interchange too, which would (at least to me) mean that the deck height is not different.
                    86 Lincoln Town Car (Galactica).
                    5.0 HO, CompCams XE258,Scorpion 1.72 roller rockers, 3.55 K code rear, tow package, BHPerformance ported E7 heads, Tmoss Explorer intake, 65mm throttle body, Hedman 1 5/8" headers, 2.5" dual exhaust, ASP underdrive pulley

                    91 Lincoln Mark VII LSC grandpa spec white and cranberry

                    1984 Lincoln Continental TurboDiesel - rolls coal

                    Originally posted by phayzer5
                    I drive a Lincoln. I can't be bothered to shift like the peasants and rabble rousers

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                      #25
                      yes a 351m is a destroked 400 block

                      1986 lincoln towncar signature series. 5.0 HO with thumper performance ported e7 heads, 1.7 roller rockers, warm air intake, 65mm throttle body, 1/2" intake spacer, ported intakes, 3.73 rear with trac lock, 98-02 front brake conversion, 92-97 rear disc conversion, 1" rear swaybar, 1 3/16" front swaybar, 16" wheels and tires, loud ass stereo system, badass cb, best time to date 15.94 at 87 mph. lots of mods in the works 221.8 rwhp 278 rwt
                      2006 Lincoln Town Car Signature. Stock for now
                      1989 Ford F-250 4x4 much much more to come, sefi converted so far.
                      1986 Toyota pickup with LSC wheels and 225/60/16 tires.
                      2008 Hyundai Elantra future Revcon toad
                      1987 TriBurner and 1986 Alaska stokers keeping me warm. (and some pesky oil heat)

                      please be patient, rebuilding an empire!

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by 88MercWagon
                        Personally, I think a carbed 400M swap would be a better idea than a 351C. With head work and a cam, a 400 can be a real screamer, and have stump-pulling low end torque. Just ask MRLTD about the 400 in his Bronco.
                        There is no M in a Ford 400.... It is kind of like guys that say nos as a word when talking about a nitrous system. Yes, it is common slang in some circles, but it just isn't right... A 400 is definitely a potent moter when built right. 400+ cubes and Cleveland heads is a great combination. There wouldn't be 400+ cube Clevors if it wasn't. You just need to sonic check your block as all 335 series blocks (351C/351M/400) are subject to very thin walls. It doesn't take much of a cam to make over 400HP at low rpms. If you are going to do it, you might as well bolt on 351C 4V heads and use a 351C 4V intake with the adapter. You will need custom headers either way and a double hump oil pan.

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by gadget73
                          I seem to recall reading that the intakes interchange too, which would (at least to me) mean that the deck height is not different.
                          The intakes do NOT interchange without an adapter. The deck is higher as I described in my previous post. The 351M/400 intake is noticably wider.

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                            #28
                            Deck heights according to wikipedia:

                            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_335_engine

                            351C is 9.206 in.
                            351M/400 is 10.297 in.

                            the 351M was a destroked 400 with a 351W crankshaft.
                            Last edited by Roach III; 12-24-2006, 10:03 PM.
                            Project \"Fire and Ice\":

                            1989 LTC

                            My worst enemies are those who presume me to be harmless. They cannot imagine how much I resent and disdain them, or just how great a threat they would face if I could get at them. Everything in their behavior speaks of insult and presumptuousness, and for now it is all I can do to make constructive use of my anger toward them. At this time, I just make a list of them and keep a watch on. Some day, with the help of time, space, and circumstance, I will be able to humiliate them properly - not in a manner they would enjoy, but in a style calculated to make them wish that they had never been born.



                            Anton Szandor LaVey

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by Roach III
                              Deck heights according to wikipedia:

                              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_335_engine

                              351C is 9.206 in.
                              351M/400 is 10.297 in.

                              the 351M was a destroked 400 with a 351W crankshaft.
                              I was under the impression that a 351w was smaller than a 351c deck height wise... 9.503" or 9.480" (69/70' blocks) is bigger than 9.206"... is wiki is wrong?
                              Last edited by JeffBoudah; 12-24-2006, 10:33 PM.

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                                #30
                                Originally posted by Roach III
                                351C is 9.206 in.
                                351M/400 is 10.297 in.

                                the 351M was a destroked 400 with a 351W crankshaft.
                                It isn't actually a 351W crankshaft. The main bearing journal size is the same but there are several differences which prevent a direct bolt-in. It does share the 3.5" stroke of the 351W. The flywheels are interchangable as they both share the early small block imbalance of 28 oz. .

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