OK, the time has come!

[Mercmarquis]

http://www.partsamerica.com/ProductD...ype=54&ptset=A
will that work for a water pump?

thanks

No prob, but your link dont work.

[Mr. Land Yacht]

I can just get a reman'd water/oil pump right?

http://www.partsamerica.com/ProductDetail.aspx?mfrcode=CLE&mfrpartnumber=6011081&parttype=151&ptset=A

that's for the oil pump...

[Mercmarquis]

This would probably be your best bang for the buck, includes an oil pump too. Has pretty much everything you need for the short block.

http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=FEM%2DMHP174%2D332&N=700+4294925232+4294919598+4294870280+4294908395+4294908331+4294840126+4294870220+4294891093+4294870257+4294890201+115&autoview=sku

[Mr. Land Yacht]

nah...I actually already have a gasket kit and I'm plannin to get the pistons and rings from another panther owner...
so, half that stuff I don't need, but thanks for the link!

[turbo2256b]

hAVE YOU GOTTEN TH OIL PUMP YET? I sugest the Melling high performance pump with the adjustable pressure. Hyd rollers like a little extra pressure becausee of there weight keeps them from floating as soon. There high pressure pumps are a bit much like 90 to 100 PSI. I set mine hoping for about 70 PSI.

[Grand Marquis GT]

Adjustable oil pump? Interesting...

[mrltd]

Adjustable oil pump? Interesting...

Not really...Most are. Bypass spring can be changed, which increases the outlet pressure.

[turbo2256b]

or add some shims. The adjustabe pump also has a shaft through the bottom to help keep up the stability of the geroters.Its also nice jusst to turn a screw instead of removing plugs a nd stuff to get at the spring

[Mr. Land Yacht]

is it really necessary?
how much do they run? you have a link?

[mrltd]

Send turbo a blank check and he'll take care of everythign for ya....

[Mr. Land Yacht]

well, I don't want to buy a $100 oil pump, when a stock one is less than 30.

[OVERKILL]

well, I'm already putting in Ported E7's, turbo's buddy is doing that for me and I plan to put in the Ford Racing E303 cam...I dunno if I ever mentioned that...

In a car the size of this, the E-cam is a bad choice. You will go faster and have better drivability with a stock HO camshaft. Yeah, its not going to "sound" as cool, but you'll be happier with the results.

[OVERKILL]

With the heads and cam he is running any dual plane would only choke the engine. A 650 with vacuum secondarys will work fine. If it was a double pumper maybe a bit large.

A performer flows about 150 to 160 CFM, a RPM flows 160 to 170 CFM, A VrJr around 208. Thats on a head that flows 235 CFM at .500 lift. A stock head flows around 150 and wouldnt pull that CFM out of any of those manifolds. A better flowing head will always pull more air through an intake.

Not long ago a test with one of my boats I had an RPM, an Air Gap and a Torker II. Engine was a 454 315HP stock cam and lower end. Heads were Edelbrock Performer RPM oval ports mild port work by me. The boat came with peanut port oval ports. It ran 75MPH with the peanut heads a 830 Holley and the RPM intake. It was fast lots of bow rise on take off had to stand up sometimes to see over the bow taking off this was a sit down boat.
After swaping the heads I tried each manifold with the 830 carb as is and the stock short block. The Air Gap and RPM ran close to the same the RPM was a bit better. Both had bow rise as before the boat still did 75 but because of the heads it got there a bit quicker. The Torker was mind blowing no bow rise the boat just poped out of the water. Hit 75 so fast it would out accelerate jet boats 7 feet shorter than my stern drive boat. Many of these boats had engines way more powerful than mine. Top speed at this point could have been increased to 85 or 90 with a bigger prop. About a .550 lift cam would have realy added a lot might hit over 100 with it at that point.
I dont know what else was done to that test engine but it didnt have a set of my heads on it.

We are looking at a 302 here that should pump out close to 400 HP more or less

Just some info from Panhandle performance:

Victor Jr. Flows on average (for a 302/289) 260-295 out of the box.

Weiand Stealth flows ~260CFM (balanced)

Performer RPM airgap flows ~260CFM (balanced)

Performer RPM flows ~255CFM (balanced)

I could dig up some out of the box flow numbers for them, but they are going to AVERAGE somewhere well over 200CFM (probably 230-ish for the low numbers) even given the flow rift between the max/min flowing ports on them............

Just for reference, there are lots of guys running TFS TW's, Eddies and even AFR's with some of the above intakes with great results.

Where did you get your flow numbers?

[OVERKILL]

After much thought, I've finally decided to use my brain and convert to a Carb.
It will be more fun and cost less.
So, other than a Carb, Intake and mechanical fuel pump, what else do I need?
what do I do about the existing fuel pump?
thanks for any input...

-Colin
BTW, I planned to get the Edelbrock performer carb and intake, are those good enough?600 CFM?

Sounds like a fun project

You are using ported E7's? Who's doing the porting, you? Or are you getting a pre-ported head like a Thumper or something?

A good site for SOME carb swap info is (although its primarily Mustang related)

http://www.jason.fletcher.net

You'll find lots of head flow data there as well, which can be useful, IE, the powerheads (CNC ported E7's with 1.90/1.60 valves) flow 215 intake, 174 exhaust at .500 lift.

Hopefully some of the info can be helpful.

EDIT: You'll notice there is a carbureted intake shootout on there as well. Testing was done in 25" of water, not the standard 28, so you can't really directly compare the flow numbers of the intakes (they only tried to push 211CFM through them anyways) but the RESULTS might be interesting to you, as they compare the torquer II to the Weiand and the Performer and such. Real world dyno results.

[Mr. Land Yacht]

No, I'm not doing the porting, I'm not that good.
Turbo has buddy that does head porting.
do you think the B303 Cam would be a better choice? I had thoughts about putting that cam in...