what is the most power stock 302 every built

[turbo2256b]

The 70 of course had the 351W 4V also. The 70 Shelby was the only car which got a 351W 4V motor for 1970. All other 351 4V motors were Clevelands.

The 70 Shelby Mustangs were realy 69s. They had enough parts left over at the end of the year too build somme more titled them as 70s. Was a lot of BS in the Shelby Mustag club about the issue.

[turbo2256b]

That woud have got you a set of my heads and would have had much more power than the P heads. Under cut high flow vales dont alwas do much if anything eithere unless there Ferarea or some we have had designed. Some of the valves even loose flow. My e7 ported heads have produced over 375 HP at the rear wheels on a 302 thats an easy 400 at the crank. That was a 500$ port job stock, valves, springs and retainers. It would have pulled more but the dyno showed it to be going lean at 90 PSI fuel pressure.

[N A]

'93 Ford Mustang Cobra!!!

[Mercracer]

The 70 Shelby Mustangs were realy 69s. They had enough parts left over at the end of the year too build somme more titled them as 70s. Was a lot of BS in the Shelby Mustag club about the issue.

It would be interesting to see car assembly production dates and casting dates from components for 70 Shelbys. You can find body VIN stampings starting with a 0 instead of a 9 in 1970 Shelby Mustangs. I suspect that you will find 1970 casting dated engines . Regardless of body shell spot welding date, a 70 Shelby is still a 70 model year production car and the only 70 model year production car to get a 351W 4V motor.

[N A]

The '93 Cobra made the most power with a Ford 302 motor no contest.

[Mercracer]

The '93 Cobra made the most power with a Ford 302 motor no contest.

A Boss 302 would eat a 93 Cobra motor for a pre-breakfast appetizer.

[Mercracer]

That woud have got you a set of my heads and would have had much more power than the P heads. Under cut high flow vales dont alwas do much if anything eithere unless there Ferarea or some we have had designed. Some of the valves even loose flow. My e7 ported heads have produced over 375 HP at the rear wheels on a 302 thats an easy 400 at the crank. That was a 500$ port job stock, valves, springs and retainers. It would have pulled more but the dyno showed it to be going lean at 90 PSI fuel pressure.

Why would you be running 90PSI?
You would be rich if you would just advertise in Race Pages and MM&FF to sell your cheap 400+HP 302 heads which need such a small cam that you can keep all factory valvetrain components.

[N A]

A Boss 302 would eat a 93 Cobra motor for a pre-breakfast appetizer.

Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords magazine did a comparo of the Mustangs years ago. I forgot the actually issue date. The regular factory 5.0L Mustang ran the same times as the Boss 302 Mustang. An '93 Mustang Cobra would beat the Boss 302 in a straight line and on a road course.

[Mercracer]

Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords magazine did a comparo of the Mustangs years ago. I forgot the actually issue date. The regular factory 5.0L Mustang ran the same times as the Boss 302 Mustang. An '93 Mustang Cobra would beat the Boss 302 in a straight line and on a road course.

You can't take 60's drag times on polyglass tires and compare them to a modern wide radial tired car. The factory close ratio 4-speed was made for a road course not the drag strip. A '93 Cobra may pull more g's on a skid pad, but that doesn't equate to quicker lap times necessarily.
The Boss engine makes more power. With tires to put the power to the ground, and especially with a wide ratio transmission, the Boss Mustang would get to the 1320 traps first. Put the Boss engine between the fenders of the '93 Cobra and you would really have a winning combination compared to the relatively weak stock Cobra.

[N A]

Here's how you settle the arguement. Have a Boss Mustang and an '93 Cobra show up at a chassis dyno. The '93 will post the higher numbers!!!

[Mercracer]

Here's how you settle the arguement. Have a Boss Mustang and an '93 Cobra show up at a chassis dyno. The '93 will post the higher numbers!!!

You'll lose money on that bet. A 1970 Boss 302 with a good tune will suprise you. The 1969 Boss 302 had 429SCJ sized intake valves which are too big for a 302 so the 1970 valves are the same as the 351C 4V motor.

[turbo2256b]

It would be interesting to see car assembly production dates and casting dates from components for 70 Shelbys. You can find body VIN stampings starting with a 0 instead of a 9 in 1970 Shelby Mustangs. I suspect that you will find 1970 casting dated engines . Regardless of body shell spot welding date, a 70 Shelby is still a 70 model year production car and the only 70 model year production car to get a 351W 4V motor.

I owned a 69 Shelby Mustang I was in the Shelby Mustang club. I have heard all the aguments all the bull all the crap were you there? My self I didnt give a hoot I had my Shelby that was it for me. Then president of Ford knowing there were parts enough to build Shelbys said build the rest as 70s. Hell Shelby built some more Shelby Cobras just a few years ago. Big bucks.

[turbo2256b]

Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords magazine did a comparo of the Mustangs years ago. I forgot the actually issue date. The regular factory 5.0L Mustang ran the same times as the Boss 302 Mustang. An '93 Mustang Cobra would beat the Boss 302 in a straight line and on a road course.

I dont think they ever disconected the rev limiter on the Boss 302 in thosw tests. A Camero 302 with 4.56 factory gearing would beet the Boss untill the Boss had the RPM limiter bypassed. Then the bossss with the lowest 3.91 gearing from the factory would kick the 302 or 350 Z Cameros. I was thewr I lived it I worked on these cars. I have worked donn the current ones. I will take the old ones over the new any day. Back then I only drove 9 and 10 second street machines daily drivers big blocks small blocks.

[Mercracer]

I owned a 69 Shelby Mustang I was in the Shelby Mustang club. I have heard all the aguments all the bull all the crap were you there? My self I didnt give a hoot I had my Shelby that was it for me. Then president of Ford knowing there were parts enough to build Shelbys said build the rest as 70s. Hell Shelby built some more Shelby Cobras just a few years ago. Big bucks.

I am not following you. What is your point? It is common "knnowledge" that 70's are "left over" 69's. I am asking what exactly that means and making a few statements that do not necessarily contradict that general claim. Even if a body had a 9 in the VIN after the body pieces were spot welded together, and Ford changed the Vin to start with a 0, it is still a 70 car. Even if the pieces were spot welded together in 1921 and Ford changed the Vin to a 1970 model year VIN, it is a 1970 model year car. Until it leaves the factory and recieves its final VIN, or even receives its Shelby number, it just doesn't matter.
It also doesn't matter to me whether some Shelby collectors get their panties in a ruff over it.

[mercenvy]

It would be interesting to see car assembly production dates and casting dates from components for 70 Shelbys. You can find body VIN stampings starting with a 0 instead of a 9 in 1970 Shelby Mustangs. I suspect that you will find 1970 casting dated engines . Regardless of body shell spot welding date, a 70 Shelby is still a 70 model year production car and the only 70 model year production car to get a 351W 4V motor.

Well here is some info I have on the subject:

"When the decision[for Shelby] to terminate was official, there was still the matter of a fairly large number of cars still in the pipeline. Mustang shells had already started on their way to becoming Shelbys and dealers still had new unsold 1969s on their lots at the end of the model year. These cars were updated to become 1970 models after January. Cars uncompleted at the factory were completed as 1969 models and then modified into 1970s at Ford Kar Kraft facility(famous for Ford GT MK II and IV production in 1966-67). Cars in dealers' inventories were changed over by the dealers themselves. Three modifications were made to provide a model year differentation. First, the number of the serial number was changed to an '0'(to indicate 1970). Cars were then given black hood stripes(between the intake scoops and exhaust ducts on each side of the hood) and the chin spoilers were made of black plastic and identical to those used on the '69 Boss 302s. In order to complete Shelby production, some cars that had originally begun to be built as Mach Is were used,. This explains why some of the last Shelbys had red or tan interiors and other variations that were not on the Shelby order form".