what is the most power stock 302 every built

[turbo2256b]

Dyno results can be tweeked all over the map. There a huge threads on this in other forums.

[turbo2256b]

moet of my stuff isnt opinions more fact. What has worked or what is. On a flow bench bigger flow numbers dont always mean more power. The head with higher air speed a better combustion chamber faster burn is going to win. Best bang for the buck ported E7s with stock valves flow 220 at .5 lift actually that dosent show it alll becsause they will flow more at every lift point. At that point go with a GT40 tubular intake or a P intake.. I f you can get the intake to flow 220 which it might need ported too. But will say the intake flows 200 yo ugot 400 HP. What are P heads or 40s going to cost?
All stock E7s maybe 100 or less I do the port work for 500. Bigger valves, better springs, retainers, studs, maching for studs is extra. A carb set up will get you 50 hp more than SEFI for less.

[gadget73]

Just semi-OT, comparing old engine power ratings to new is kind of a crap shoot. The power ratings were done differently back then, gross numbers with no accessories and whatnot. Take that same motor with the huge power ratings and compare it to a new on the same dyno, and you'll get some rather different results. Factory power figures also aren't the most reliable so using them to judge stock horsepower is not neccesarily useful.

[Tiggie]

83countrysquire, keep in mind that to use those intakes, you'll need to upgrade from CFI to SEFI, mostly a wiring hassle.

[Blaze86Vic]

The GT40 (explorer) intake is better than the Cobra intake if I am not mistaken.

[83countrysquire]

just getting some facts straight
I want a 96 Ford Explorer motor b/c they have GT40 heads and my headers i have now will fit
But do I want the stock upper intake (gt40) or should i get a cobra or is there no difference i didnt think i found the anwsere up there so if i m being redundent

[Freshmeat]

Once you add the turbo, it is no longer stock. I personally have seen those kind of times with a power adder so I am not refuting the potential with a power adder. Using that definition, I have seen a "stock" 98 Cobra motor run 9's. Nothing was touched internally to the motor.

I agree. I was going to argue with him on that post, but you beat me to it. It'd be safe to refer to it as a stock motor with a $5,000 turbo kit, but I guess that would take away from the fun.

[Blaze86Vic]

Despite all of my bickering I do highly respect your knowledge and experience on the subjects of these matters. I just like to piss and moan too much sometimes.

[Mercracer]

How the hell is that over my head? 40 years of experience and you still haven't learned that your OPINION is an opinion. In your OPINION, GT40 heads are better because they are almost identical flow numbers, and GT40 heads can be tweeked much more than P heads, but unmodified (someone who doesn't have a CNC machine) the P does perform better, this is fact, not an opinion.

And .024 seconds I don't give a shit about, but melting wires I do. Having to buy special headers I also care about. I won't argue any of your facts, I have not stated that any of your facts are wrong, but you stating your opinion (40 better than P because of future modifying potential) proves my fact wrong (stock P outperforms stock 40) is a load of crap. So I'm not wrong at all. And if there is one thing I have learned in my life (however short and insignificant it may be to you) is that even the most veteran person, can be wrong.

Take a deep breath and have a beer. Please quote 2 people if you are replying to 2 different people in the same post instead of mixing up replies to 2 people within the same post. I am the one insupport opf P heads. I meant that it went over your head not that it was over your head. Burnt wires and access really isn't a problem with P heads and FRPP headers. I can understand if you are trying to save $50 on a new set of headers if you can't afford the difference though. FRPP doesn't even sell the plain stainless headers that don't fit the P heads anymore

[Mercracer]

Mercracer, I know what he's talking about. MM&FF took a stock Mustang engine and put a big turbo on it. That, a Lentech Strip Terminator, 3.27s, and a couple other minor mods, they ran 10.79 (I think) and were kicked off the track for lack of roll cage. The entire engine was stock including throttle body (they did ring the deck) other than the turbo, according to their claims.

Once you add the turbo, it is no longer stock. I personally have seen those kind of times with a power adder so I am not refuting the potential with a power adder. Using that definition, I have seen a "stock" 98 Cobra motor run 9's. Nothing was touched internally to the motor.

[Blaze86Vic]

It is obviously over your head. Taking .024 seconds longer to pull a plug is not a big deal.

How the hell is that over my head? 40 years of experience and you still haven't learned that your OPINION is an opinion. In your OPINION, GT40 heads are better because they are almost identical flow numbers, and GT40 heads can be tweeked much more than P heads, but unmodified (someone who doesn't have a CNC machine) the P does perform better, this is fact, not an opinion.

And .024 seconds I don't give a shit about, but melting wires I do. Having to buy special headers I also care about. I won't argue any of your facts, I have not stated that any of your facts are wrong, but you stating your opinion (40 better than P because of future modifying potential) proves my fact wrong (stock P outperforms stock 40) is a load of crap. So I'm not wrong at all. And if there is one thing I have learned in my life (however short and insignificant it may be to you) is that even the most veteran person, can be wrong.

[Freshmeat]

Define STOCK and which issue you saw this in. There is NO way that a stock spec cam and E7 or even GT40 heads are going to get you into the 10's NA. The best Factory Stock FI 5.0's with GT40 heads are only in the high 11's. These engines are making over 350HP and there are big bucks into the "stock" rebuilds.

Mercracer, I know what he's talking about. MM&FF took a stock Mustang engine and put a big turbo on it. That, a Lentech Strip Terminator, 3.27s, and a couple other minor mods, they ran 10.79 (I think) and were kicked off the track for lack of roll cage. The entire engine was stock including throttle body (they did ring the deck) other than the turbo, according to their claims.

[Mercracer]

So a 96 Explorer 5.0 i will need different headers for I thought that was 97 that spark plugs were relocated
and which is the better upper intake a cobra or gt40

'96 uses GT40 heads and standard manifolds. You are correct in the fact regarding GT40P heads not being used until after the 97 model year production began.
In this case, "best" isn't worth the cost difference. Just run an Explorer unless you have everything else for your combo and you really have the extra cash to burn.

[Mercracer]

My stock CV? Maybe you should look at the sig. I can get to every spark plug with a solid 6" extension, even the oe behind the AC compressor. And GT40 intake is better.

It is obviously over your head. Taking .024 seconds longer to pull a plug is not a big deal.
Regarding GT40 vs Cobra vs Explorer intakes in a mild build, "best" just doesn't matter. What matters is price and performance. The couple of ponies you may or may not give up when you are shifting at 5500-6000RPM's with a mild cam is not worth the $200 or more premium you could be paying to get a "better" intake. Too many people loosing sleep bench racing instead of saving money and building a decent combo.

[turbo2256b]

I think the intake is better. But then I am just the one with a CNC machine an air flow bench over 40 years of engine buildinng experance.