Way too much brake pedal play

[zwack88]

Ok this is starting to piss me off. My vic has always had alittle play but it seems to be getting worse. I just did the brakes at christmas and bled the whole system and I think I did it correctly. It still had alittle play but not as bad as before the brake job. What should I do? So I re-bleed the brakes and see what happens there? Maybe it is the brake lines expanding and time to upgrade to braided steel brake lines? What do you guys think it only has 91.5K on it so I wouldn't think master cylinder.

[gadget73]

Bleed the brakes and see what that does. Make sure the pads are still good too. If you've ever gotten those brakes good and hot, the fluid will boil and cause the pedal to mush. Its a good idea to flush the brake fluid once in a while anyhow just because it sucks moisture, which lowers the boiling point of the fluid and accelerates rust in the brake lines. I'd also inspect the hoses for cracks or other damage.

[zwack88]

Ok. The fluid that was in it before did the brake job this christmas was black. I bleed it till it was clean. The hottest I have ever got the brakes is just from getting off the interstate but I haven't been on it for awhile. I will bleed them again here soon and see what that does.

[Paul_]

If your rubber lines are original, they could be crushing in on themselves when you apply the brakes. This would give you the mushy pedal feel. An upgrade to stainless steel lines would eleminate that for the most part. Unfortunately I don't anywhere that sells SS lines for Panthers.

[zwack88]

Liquid installed some on his old HPP. He got them through Kenny Brown. I hope I still can get them as they are done with the panther. It was $100 for the fronts he said.

[Paul_]

ADTR doesn't stock them, per chance? There's really nothing they offer for boxes so I've never glanced at the site, but I would think if anyone still made them they would.

[zwack88]

I just looked. No brake lines, they had a ton of performance rotors. I can email chris and see if he has any leads too.

[DuceAnAHalf]

Any one know the fittings size?

http://www.speedwaymotors.com/xq/aspx/display_id.5059/itemNo.brake+line/qx/Product.htm

http://www.speedwaymotors.com/xq/aspx/display_id.1992/itemNo.brake+line/qx/Product.htm

http://www.speedwaymotors.com/xq/aspx/display_id.938/itemNo.fittings/qx/Product.htm

http://www.speedwaymotors.com/xq/aspx/display_id.953/itemNo.fittings/qx/Product.htm

[zwack88]

Well I just got done bleeding my brakes again. The fluid was already brown. I didn't throw on the wheels just yet. It still has the same feeling in the break pedal cause I started it up while it is still up on the stands. I notice there is a bleeder valve on the reservor but no were have I heard that you need to open that up after you do all 4 wheels? I started at RR, LR, RF, LF just like it is suppose to. What is the deal?

[83tc]

unbolt the master cylinder, where it attached the fluid resivoir to the vac booster, theres a ball nut in there, hold the stem with pliers and spin the ball nut out one turn and check, still play in them, spin it out(loosen) it more until satisfied, check to make sure the brakes arent dragging or youll lite em on fire like i did, only do this if your sure it isnt leaking or air in the system, otherwise its just a temp fix

[zwack88]

Thanks for the tip I will have to look into that. I threw my wheels back on and just test drove it. There still is about a half inch of pedal play but stopping is a whole new experience. It is very tight and I can lock them up way easier now. I feels just like my dads lse now exept maybe a half inch of play. I must not have bled them right or something with I did the brakes over christmas.